Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Isn't it though! What is amazing is that everyone gets so defensive when you say that a WR drafted with Watkins is better. Beckham had 91 receptions, 1,305 yards and 12 TD in 12 games. Over a full 16 game season that is 121 receptions 1740 yards and 16 TD's as a rookie, Oh yea he had arguably the greatest catch of all time. Wait a second.... I forgot the Peyt.... I mean Eli "I threw for 3,800 yards 18 TD's and 27 Int's in 2013 without Beckham" Manning throwing to him. I guess if that is the case there is no way he could be better than Sammy. It doesn't take a genius to see that Zack Martin's career trajectory is better than Cujo. Beckham is going to be an all time great. Please for the love of God let's stop worrying about our guy being better and admit Beckham is better. Beckham was getting 20 targets a game the last half of the year. Watkins was often getting 5.
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 @RyanTalbotBills: Marrone talks about Watkins post draft here (around 4:15): http://t.co/wfEjhZ2ZWo
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Beckham was getting 20 targets a game the last half of the year. Watkins was often getting 5. Context doesn't matter to people who've clearly made up their minds about a 21 year old's career trajectory.
bobobonators Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 He is also on record he would not have drafted EJ at 16 the previous year. I must've missed that. Where did he say he wouldn't have drafted EJ at 16? I was always under the impression that Marrone and Nix were both on the same page with EJ.
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I guess we know why Sammy didn't get his 1000 yds.
Lurker Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 @TBNSully: Schefter reports that Marrone didn't like the Watkins trade, which comes as no shock: http://t.co/QPvFhXfEk8 But was Adam in town when he reported that!
Doc Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 As much as I dislike Marrone, I have to agree with him here. Mortgaging the future that much to select a WR is not a smart move if you have no QB. Sure, Watkins will win us a few more games, but we are talking about going from 6-10 to 9-7. Still not good enough to get to the playoffs or win in them. I guess this also says Marrone wasn't convinced EJ was the answer either. Another thing he was correct about. So because the Bills traded away the 19th overall pick in the 2015 draft, they've "mortgaged the future?"
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 So because the Bills traded away the 19th overall pick in the 2015 draft, they've "mortgaged the future?" The only picks that matter to some fans are the ones we don't have.
Doc Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 The only picks that matter to some fans are the ones we don't have. Yep. It's as if that 19th overall was the key to the future/success of the Bills. Ostensibly because the Bills would have found their franchise QB there.
Proteus Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Beckham was getting 20 targets a game the last half of the year. Watkins was often getting 5. I love Sammy Watkins and I have a lot of faith that he is going to be a great receiver for the Bills. He is not as good as Odell Beckham, plain and simple. I really don't understand why that is so hard to admit. Sometimes there are guys who come out of the draft that are just on another level, Beckham is one of those guys. I don't give a flying **** how many times he was targeted per game. That is such a weak argument that I would be embarrassed to bring it up if I were you. Watkins is going to have to battle it out to be the 2nd best WR to come out of that draft with Mike Evans, and right now he is 3rd to Evans. Oh wait I forgot, Evans had McCown and Glennon throwing to him.
xsoldier54 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Just watched the draft day video. Very little of Marrone in it. It's mostly Brandon and Whaley and others. Marrone was in the room for part of it, but didn't see him when the trade went down.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 So because the Bills traded away the 19th overall pick in the 2015 draft, they've "mortgaged the future?" But if they didnt have Sammy we would have been the worst team in the league, and we could have drafted Marriotta. But since we did have Sammy we can now trade him for the #2 overall and get Marriotta AND Winston and let them fight it out.
Doc Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I love Sammy Watkins and I have a lot of faith that he is going to be a great receiver for the Bills. He is not as good as Odell Beckham, plain and simple. I really don't understand why that is so hard to admit. Sometimes there are guys who come out of the draft that are just on another level, Beckham is one of those guys. I don't give a flying **** how many times he was targeted per game. That is such a weak argument that I would be embarrassed to bring it up if I were you. Watkins is going to have to battle it out to be the 2nd best WR to come out of that draft with Mike Evans, and right now he is 3rd to Evans. Oh wait I forgot, Evans had McCown and Glennon throwing to him. Again, who is throwing to these guys makes a huge difference. So does involvement in the game plan. If you say you'd take EJ/Orton over Eli or that 20 targets a game versus 5 will get you similar results, you don't have a clue.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I don't give a flying **** how many times he was targeted per game. That is such a weak argument that I would be embarrassed to bring it up if I were you. You're right. My bad. Beckham is way better. He gets 10 catches a game in 5 targets. He's that good.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I love Sammy Watkins and I have a lot of faith that he is going to be a great receiver for the Bills. He is not as good as Odell Beckham, plain and simple. I really don't understand why that is so hard to admit. Sometimes there are guys who come out of the draft that are just on another level, Beckham is one of those guys. I don't give a flying **** how many times he was targeted per game. That is such a weak argument that I would be embarrassed to bring it up if I were you. Watkins is going to have to battle it out to be the 2nd best WR to come out of that draft with Mike Evans, and right now he is 3rd to Evans. Oh wait I forgot, Evans had McCown and Glennon throwing to him. I'm not trying to defend Sammy or really argue with you, but the reason why it's so hard to admit is only a fool would positively state without equivocation that ODB is 100% better than Sammy and always will be based on a 12 game sample in the guy's rookie year. The NFL takes things away from players. Things don't get easier as players stay in the league, they in fact get harder. Which is the opposite of how it works at any other level of the sport. NFL history is littered with one year wonders who flame out as quickly as they arrive. I love ODB's skill set and what he did this year, but there's no way to know he's better than Sammy at this point. Evans also was the number 2 WR on his own team and played in the semi-pro division of the NFC South. But context isn't something you like to factor into your sweeping generalizations. Edited January 4, 2015 by GreggyT
Proteus Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Context doesn't matter to people who've clearly made up their minds about a 21 year old's career trajectory. All that matters to you is Watkins was drafted by the Bills therefore he is better. Also how have I made up my mind about Watkins career trajectory? I think he could end up being a HOFamer and the best Bills receiver of all time. How is that making up my mind? It just happens to be clear to anyone not wearing Bills rose colored glasses that Beckham is better. It is not even an argument. He was targeted 20 times a game so his 10 catches 150 yards and 1 TD per game doesn't really count. Just a pathetic stance to take.
Reed83HOF Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 7m7 minutes ago If Marrone didn't like Watkins trade, fine. He'll probably be right. But as HC with major input on gameplan, did he purposely limit targets? Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 7m7 minutes ago Ultimately, QB decides where to throw the football. But I think we all can agree Watkins wasn't first option as much as he should have been. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 1m1 minute ago Watkins had five games with more than 10 targets. His average stat line in those games...5 catches and 127.4 yards. Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 2m2 minutes ago In the end, I doubt a HC would purposely not feature a player in the game plan as talented as Watkins, but it's worth wondering w/ Marrone. Edited January 4, 2015 by Reed83HOF
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 All that matters to you is Watkins was drafted by the Bills therefore he is better. Also how have I made up my mind about Watkins career trajectory? I think he could end up being a HOFamer and the best Bills receiver of all time. How is that making up my mind? It just happens to be clear to anyone not wearing Bills rose colored glasses that Beckham is better. It is not even an argument. He was targeted 20 times a game so his 10 catches 150 yards and 1 TD per game doesn't really count. Just a pathetic stance to take. You're assuming that about me, yet I have never said anything close to that. So who's the one with an agenda here? The guy trying to say it's too early to draw a conclusion or the guy railing against anyone daring to have a different opinion than his own? Hmmm....
bobobonators Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso 1m1 minute ago Watkins had five games with more than 10 targets. His average stat line in those games...5 catches and 127.4 yards. Marrone probably stormed out of the locker room after those games too.
The Big Cat Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 If true, then it corroborates much of what we've debated for months now, but I'm not convinced Marrone's at fault. If he handed Whaley a grocery list for ground beef and taco shells only to have him come back with red sauce and pasta, then IMO Whaley was wrong.
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