Doug Flutie Band Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 The Bills organization is on the verge of becoming a laughing stock, if it isn't already. LOL on the verge? What, before this they were a respected NFL franchise? Who's next to "become" a laughingstock? Oakland or Jacksonville?
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) We dont know that.I actually do know. I don't know what has been reported, but that's real information, take it or leave it. Edited January 3, 2015 by YoloinOhio
bananathumb Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 The Bills may not be a playoff team, but their offseasons are entertaining.
Doc Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 They've been out, but not away. Especially Gruden. It's still not the same.
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 The Head Coach Leaves. The GM was almost ousted but is now leading the head coaching search. This off-season has been pretty crazy after a 9-7 season.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 It's still not the same. I fully understand your concern here, but Im just not that worried about it. Cowher wouldnt be an Xs and Os guy for me, and Gruden is still an offensive mastermind. We're not talking about bringing back 70 year old Gibbs or 80 year old Levy. Theyre both in their 50s (Gruden just barely) and have plenty left.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Even worse then, imo. If they didnt want to give it to Marrone, but are willing to give it to someone like Gase or Reich, then I dont know what the hell is going on over there. At lease Marrone was here for 2 years, and there was most likely a feasible record of why he would want that. So we dont give him a slight raise, we dont give him more power, but we will go spend twice the money having to hire some first-time HC and give him said power? Yikes. Sounds more like Pegula is just winging it in that case. I like it! Thanks BB I'll admit there is plenty of time, and plenty of things they can do, to get this back on track. Re-signing Hughes would be a big one. I dont expect much as far as adding QBs goes, because there is simply a lack of talent out there, but my hopes are high for EJ. Its the HC part that is really sticking in my craw. At least we have the D and ST nailed down, and I guess we needed an improvement on O anyways. But damn, Im sick of this franchise not being able to maintain any stability of consistency whatsoever. Overdorf says Jerry Hughes doesn't fit the budget.
hondo in seattle Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) We've heard stories before that the Old Guard (Littman, Berchtold, Overdorf, and maybe a few others) viewed themselves as the heart of the team and weren't anxious to change things for a coach when we all know coaches come and go. According to TG, Marrone's beef was mostly with the Old Guard, not so much with Whaley. Rumor has it that Whaley himself has been frustrated with the Old Guard as he tries to change the organization. Polian was fired because he had conflict with the Old Guard, particularly Littman. And this shows you how powerful the Old Guard was. When Ralph had to choose between the guy who built the Bills into a SB contender or the Old Guard, he chose the Old Guard. Pegula needs to dismantle the Old Guard. And that's what he seems to be doing. Littman, probably seeing the writing on the wall, retired. None of the Old Guard will be involved in the HC interviews (contrary to initial reports). And none of the Old Guard will have any authority over our new coach who will report directly to the Pegulas. And these are just the first steps we've learned. I'm sure Pegula has an overarching strategic plan though he's still assessing things, too. Of course, he's not sharing the plan or the assessments with us. But his first moves are dropping some telling hints. I don't see a circus. I see hope. We've known for a long time (since Polian was wrongly fired, at least) that OBD needs to change. Now we see signs of change. It's about time. Edited January 3, 2015 by hondo in seattle
HOUSE Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 "Scorch the Earth" is the easy out as advice. Of course, it typically winds up burning down useful trees and buildings as well as weeds. How do you know Marrone was asking for complete control over the 53 man roster? Dumping a load of bull **** is sometimes necessary.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 We've heard stories before that the Old Guard (Littman - now thankfully retired, Berchtold, and a few others) viewed themselves as the heart of the team and weren't anxious to change things for a coach when we all know coaches come and go. According to TG, Marrone's beef was mostly with the Old Guard, not so much with Whaley. Rumor has it that Whaley himself has been frustrated with the Old Guard as he tries to change the organization. Polian was fired because he had conflict with the Old Guard, particularly Littman. And this shows you how powerful the Old Guard was. When Ralph had to choose between the guy who built the Bills into a SB contender or the Old Guard, he chose the Old Guard. Pegula needs to dismantle the Old Guard. Great post! One of the best posts Ive seen in awhile.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) I usually tend to lean towards being a homer and giving the Bills the benefit of the doubt, but waking up today and seeing reports that our list of candidates goes Quinn, Gase, Reich, and McDaniels has me questioning how deeply I want to invest in this team. . "The Bills have formally requested permission to interview four potential candidates for their vacant head coach position including: Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Buffalo is also reportedly trying to set up an interview with Chargers offensive coordinator Frank Reich before he interviews with the Jets, according to the Buffalo News." So to date: Bevell, Gase, McDaniels, Quinn, Reich, and interest in Schwartz has been mentioned. That's already a more inclusive list than I've seen in previous Bills HC searches - who did we look at before we hired Gailey? Before we hired Marrone? And what was our timeline for deciding who to interview, before? This is the first time I can recall that the need to interview for a HC was followed by immediate action scheduling interviews. Prior to Gailey, I seem to remember a couple weeks of no apparent action, followed by "chan who?' Keep in mind that playoffs are driving the timing right now; Bevell, Gase, and Quinn can interview this weekend only because their teams are in a bye, and there may be other candidates we'd like to interview whose current teams are actively preparing this week. Others might barf, I would like to see them talk to Kubiak and he isn't even taking calls at present, I will admit that of that list, Reich seems a choice who is under-qualified, has not yet accomplished anything much offensively despite a good QB, and driven by nostalgia. I expect he is being interviewed in large part because of the Polian recommendation. I am also not a fan of McDaniels, but one must admit he nursed the Pats offense successfully through a (relatively) bad season from Brady without Gronk or other favorite targets. Edited January 3, 2015 by Hopeful
CardinalScotts Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Only people calling it a debacle or circus are melodramatic Bills fans. or WGR employees
TPS Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 We've heard stories before that the Old Guard (Littman, Berchtold, Overdorf, and maybe a few others) viewed themselves as the heart of the team and weren't anxious to change things for a coach when we all know coaches come and go. According to TG, Marrone's beef was mostly with the Old Guard, not so much with Whaley. Rumor has it that Whaley himself has been frustrated with the Old Guard as he tries to change the organization. Polian was fired because he had conflict with the Old Guard, particularly Littman. And this shows you how powerful the Old Guard was. When Ralph had to choose between the guy who built the Bills into a SB contender or the Old Guard, he chose the Old Guard. Pegula needs to dismantle the Old Guard. And that's what he seems to be doing. Littman, probably seeing the writing on the wall, retired. None of the Old Guard will be involved in the HC interviews (contrary to initial reports). And none of the Old Guard will have any authority over our new coach who will report directly to the Pegulas. And these are just the first steps we've learned. I'm sure Pegula has an overarching strategic plan though he's still assessing things, too. Of course, he's not sharing the plan or the assessments with us. But his first moves are dropping some telling hints. I don't see a circus. I see hope. We've known for a long time (since Polian was wrongly fired, at least) that OBD needs to change. Now we see signs of change. It's about time. I like your take, and it is hopeful. What i don't like is, and I posted in another thread, if it's true the HC will report to Pegulas, then Polian/Marrone comments help undermine Whaley's influence.
Rivermont Mike Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 It's only a circus outside the organization due to rumors and media speculation. Inside, I'm sure the Pegulas have a plan. You don't get to that level without one. Remain calm.
Fadingpain Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 This should all be expected. This is an ownership change. People are fighting over power, money, influence, future employment. There is also a lot of backstabbing going on. I have some advice.......... Clean House.....EVERYONE is fired, even the ball boys. This place is infected and you are smelling up the place. This. And start with Brandon. He and the rest of the old timers will be gone in time. It's just a question of how much before Pegula catches on to everyone. Much quicker, easier, and proactive to just gut the place now.
Rivermont Mike Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Sanest reply that I've seen on this board in a few days. I don't care what business you're in--when new ownership steps in after a long-term owner leaves, there's always a transition period. People who feel threatened leave, and the ones who are over-entrenched start throwing haymakers to protect their "turf." That's what's happening now. Graham and others are being fed a steady diet of information that makes the Bills organization appear to be in turmoil. Maybe the "sources" are thinking that the Pegulas are going to go with the status quo seeing that they need a new HC, OC, potentially a DC, and a QB. Their time, like Whaley's, will come. Every new ownership group (regardless of the industry) picks a trustworthy guy from the old regime to help with the transition. When the transition is complete, he's either proven himself loyal or he's gone. The unseen entrenched are toast. They're getting their shots in now, but either Whaley or a new GM will clean house. Various posters have suggested that the Pegulas have a strategy and we should just remain calm. They're right.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 This. And start with Brandon. He and the rest of the old timers will be gone in time. It's just a question of how much before Pegula catches on to everyone. Much quicker, easier, and proactive to just gut the place now. Including Whaley,Schwartz, the D staff?, The player personnel department guys like Monos and Fisher?
Rico Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Including Whaley,Schwartz, the D staff?, The player personnel department guys like Monos and Fisher? No, that would be too much right now, just all of Ralph's stooges.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 No, that would be too much right now, just all of Ralph's stooges. Agreed! Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.-someone. "show me the baby"-Buddy Nix and a few more cliches
finn Posted January 3, 2015 Author Posted January 3, 2015 The source of all of that speculation is Tim Graham. 'Nuff said. I don't believe any of it unless he names his source. Otherwise I think he is just speculating as has no source. Just stirring things up and I'm not buying any of it. You may be right about Tim Graham. Look at this passage from his article today: "A source close to the situation told The News that executives from previous owner Ralph Wilson’s regime – eager to maintain their power – badmouthed Polian in Marrone’s presence during the season." Is Graham claiming these executives are eager to maintain power, or is he saying that is what his sources say? And do these sources have a stake in spinning what might be an innocent conversation this way? This is sneaky, biased journalism.
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