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I don't understand how this is a circus? Marrone tried a power play, probably so he didn't have to fire Hackett, and lost. There is no way Pegula was going to have his first major decision since buying the Bills be giving in to Marrone's demands. The team is better off without him.

 

As for Polian, he is basically retred. Has a stress free gig at ESPN. Why would he want to take on a job with any NFL team? He certainly has nothing to prove, and doesn't need the money.

Circus comes from the fact that within a 72 hour period the team's starting QB quit, the HC quit and the consultant/savior changed his mind about joining the organization. Any one of those isn't a circus. When you put them all together what do you get? Three rings.

 

This isn't dooming the franchise, or even setting it back (but, it could), but, it most definitely is a circus right now.

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All things considered, an ownership change during mid season was going to lead to something like this. Let Terry sort it out, this should really only happen once.

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It is far from chaos. The media loves to stoke the fire. Marrone is a marginal head coach and Polian is freakin 72. Being an exec in the NFL is a young mans game no matter what capacity. Truth be told I think things worked out great. Orton sucks, Marrone will never be nothing more than mediocre and if he gets the jets job omg haha they have a **** roster! And lets all be high fiving when the first thing the new coach does is can Hackett. The best thing the team can do if they dont hire Schwartz as HC is give him loads of cash and assistant coach title! He has so much talent on defense its serves him well to stay and then in 2016 go for a HC gig again. Also rewind to the Houston oilers...when they went thru relocation etc...it lead to great things for the Titans. It is exactly what this team needs. We have alot of talent and are missing some pieces here and there.

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So Pegula asks Polian to come in, Marrone hears bad things about Polian and leaves, prompting Polian to change his mind because things are falling apart fast. Today we hear that at least two people in the front office badmouthed Polian to Marrone, who passed on the tidbit to Pegula, who announces that the new HC will not be reporting to Whaley, leaving his role up in the air. And any of this might be inaccurate.

 

Confusion, greed, betrayal, backstabbing, power plays... We just need a little sex to top it off. The Bills organization is on the verge of becoming a laughing stock, if it isn't already.

 

What do the Pegulas have to do now to turn this debacle into something positive?

If you want to put a little sex into it .....Hire a hooker to distract and discredit Tim Graham so he'll shut up with the anonymously-sourced rumors already? :bag:

 

Frankly, if Pegula makes decisions based upon third-hand information (Polian said Marrone said someone in the organization said...) about a guy who, in fact, has rather a rep for bad behavior in the league, it doesn't speak well of Pegula. One often has to be there to see how things were meant. And this is the guy of whom one of his best supporters (Levy) was quoted as saying: "Asked to name Polian’s most memorable tantrum, Levy just laughs. “There are too many,” he says."

 

OTOH, if Pegula wants to see for himself how Whaley conducts himself in interviews or in any other venue, or if Pegula is thinking of a reporting structure where the coach and Whaley both report to a CEO or president who then reports to Pegula, or thinking of a reporting structure where both report to him, that's fair.

 

I was curious and did a bit of research Interesting reading, to me. Successful teams seem to vary in their reporting structure and the degree of automony given to the GM and coach. Some of our media write as though good teams always hire a GM, who then hires a coach and really runs the show, etc etc but the truth is the structure and the authority/autonomy seem to vary significantly - the Steelers do things differently than the Ravens than the Giants than the Cowboys than the 49ers. There doesn't seem to be One True Way, except to find people who really know football, are passionate about winning, and are able to agree on roles and responsibilities and work together to make it happen.

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If you want to put a little sex into it .....Hire a hooker to distract and discredit Tim Graham so he'll shut up with the anonymously-sourced rumors already? :bag:

 

Frankly, if Pegula makes decisions based upon third-hand information (Polian said Marrone said someone in the organization said...) about a guy who, in fact, has rather a rep for bad behavior in the league, it doesn't speak well of Pegula. One often has to be there to see how things were meant. And this is the guy of whom one of his best supporters (Levy) was quoted as saying: "Asked to name Polian’s most memorable tantrum, Levy just laughs. “There are too many,” he says."

 

OTOH, if Pegula wants to see for himself how Whaley conducts himself in interviews or in any other venue, or if Pegula is thinking of a reporting structure where the coach and Whaley both report to a CEO or president who then reports to Pegula, or thinking of a reporting structure where both report to him, that's fair.

 

I was curious and did a bit of research Interesting reading, to me. Successful teams seem to vary in their reporting structure and the degree of automony given to the GM and coach. Some of our media write as though good teams always hire a GM, who then hires a coach and really runs the show, etc etc but the truth is the structure and the authority/autonomy seem to vary significantly - the Steelers do things differently than the Ravens than the Giants than the Cowboys than the 49ers. There doesn't seem to be One True Way, except to find people who really know football, are passionate about winning, and are able to agree on roles and responsibilities and work together to make it happen.

 

 

Really good stuff and post. Thanks, this was quite enlightening... CD

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So Pegula asks Polian to come in, Marrone hears bad things about Polian and leaves, prompting Polian to change his mind because things are falling apart fast. Today we hear that at least two people in the front office badmouthed Polian to Marrone, who passed on the tidbit to Pegula, who announces that the new HC will not be reporting to Whaley, leaving his role up in the air. And any of this might be inaccurate.

 

Confusion, greed, betrayal, backstabbing, power plays... We just need a little sex to top it off. The Bills organization is on the verge of becoming a laughing stock, if it isn't already.

 

What do the Pegulas have to do now to turn this debacle into something positive?

The source of all of that speculation is Tim Graham. 'Nuff said. I don't believe any of it unless he names his source. Otherwise I think he is just speculating as has no source. Just stirring things up and I'm not buying any of it.

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Whether or not you think Orton was any good or not, doesn't matter, looks like he might have been the starter next year and the coach still had 2 years left. As Beerball said, he retires the day after the season ends, the coach quits 2 days after that and the old guard Polian says, thanks but no thanks a day after that and says the owner was going behind Brandons back. Sounds to me like there is something effed up going on within 1 Bills Dr.

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Circus comes from the fact that within a 72 hour period the team's starting QB quit, the HC quit and the consultant/savior changed his mind about joining the organization. Any one of those isn't a circus. When you put them all together what do you get? Three rings.

 

This isn't dooming the franchise, or even setting it back (but, it could), but, it most definitely is a circus right now.

I agree things look pretty chaotic right now. I believe within the next couple of weeks, the dust will settle and we can all move forward. Looking forward to a new HC actually. I don't think I ever trashed Marrone on here, but I'm sure that I did Hacket. I'm glad he's gone. This team is too talented on the offensive side of the ball to perform the way it did this year. I'm hoping the new OC can get the most of the talent we have. Of course a lot depends on who the QB is and the system, but it will be interesting to see how all that plays out.

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Something tells me the people who think this team is 'falling apart fast' are the same fans who considered Ralph Wilson mentally incompetent and an embarrassment to the football world after being only one of two people to vote against the old collective bargaining agreement.

 

 

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Circus comes from the fact that within a 72 hour period the team's starting QB quit, the HC quit and the consultant/savior changed his mind about joining the organization. Any one of those isn't a circus. When you put them all together what do you get? Three rings.

 

This isn't dooming the franchise, or even setting it back (but, it could), but, it most definitely is a circus right now.

:worthy:

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Whether or not you think Orton was any good or not, doesn't matter, looks like he might have been the starter next year and the coach still had 2 years left. As Beerball said, he retires the day after the season ends, the coach quits 2 days after that and the old guard Polian says, thanks but no thanks a day after that and says the owner was going behind Brandons back. Sounds to me like there is something effed up going on within 1 Bills Dr.

How do owners go behind a subordinates back? And Brandon is strictly the marketing guy now. If he didn't know that before, he does now.

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This should all be expected. This is an ownership change. People are fighting over power, money, influence, future employment. There is also a lot of backstabbing going on. I have some advice..........

 

Clean House.....EVERYONE is fired, even the ball boys.

 

This place is infected and you are smelling up the place. :w00t:

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Sounds like just about any corporate office in America that is going through change.

 

The eye of the storm always seems to be St.Doug. Why would he say anything to Polian or Pegula about what he heard other than to cause a problem? Good riddance Dougie.

Exactly. I recently left a position I'd held for some years. On my way out, I made it a point to say only positive things about my colleagues, coworkers, and boss even though there were some definite issues I saw. I'm leaving; why should anyone care about my opinion of them or the organization? Later when I learned an issue I saw might impact someone I had supervised, I quietly called up the manager involved (a friend) and said "hey, (fact) happened, (fact) was said, I don't want to spread this about or make a deal but I want to be sure my former guy gets fair play here" and it was done.

 

Stick to the facts. If front office execs are doing things they shouldn't, or not doing things they should, that's a favor to the owner to mention quietly. But if it become "Polian said Marrone said someone else said bad things about Polian" no competent manager should give that the time of day - the only people it reflects badly on are the ones spreading gossip.

 

On the other hand, we only have Graham's somewhat gleeful accounts of an anonymous source for all of this

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So Pegula asks Polian to come in, Marrone hears bad things about Polian and leaves, prompting Polian to change his mind because things are falling apart fast. Today we hear that at least two people in the front office badmouthed Polian to Marrone, who passed on the tidbit to Pegula, who announces that the new HC will not be reporting to Whaley, leaving his role up in the air. And any of this might be inaccurate.

 

Confusion, greed, betrayal, backstabbing, power plays... We just need a little sex to top it off. The Bills organization is on the verge of becoming a laughing stock, if it isn't already.

 

What do the Pegulas have to do now to turn this debacle into something positive?

You should be a reporter...typical overreaction

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I usually tend to lean towards being a homer and giving the Bills the benefit of the doubt, but waking up today and seeing reports that our list of candidates goes Quinn, Gase, Reich, and McDaniels has me questioning how deeply I want to invest in this team.

 

Trying to see the bright side of all this, but it's tough. Folks saying Marrone "lost" this are incorrect, imo. It was a win-win for him and the Bills cut off their nose to spite their face, at least thats how it looks to me right now. I dont think its really a "circus" per se, but it's definitely chaos at OBD.

 

IMO, the team is at it's first crossroads with our new big-time owner. How he responds to this is going to set the tone for years to come.

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Circus comes from the fact that within a 72 hour period the team's starting QB quit, the HC quit and the consultant/savior changed his mind about joining the organization. Any one of those isn't a circus. When you put them all together what do you get? Three rings.

 

This isn't dooming the franchise, or even setting it back (but, it could), but, it most definitely is a circus right now.

Three rings? We gonna get three rings? Here in B'lo? Lordy lordy where's the Pardy? I think I just died and the Devil escorted me to his Frozen realm!

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