bg17 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Bad news for us. The whole Reich thing is predicated on nostalgia. Not saying that Reich won't be good, but he wasn't great with SD as an OC, he led the Chargers to one of their worst offenses in over a decade, the only worse one was under Hal Hunter (right, who's he) two years ago. This sounds good on paper but practically speaking is a roll-of-the-dice at best. I don't like the idea of Whaley being able to do more long-term damage to this organization. He'll hire someone that he can control more given how things ended up with Marrone. That's not good for us. Aren't you the poster that declared Sammy would be a bust due in large part to his inability to run routes beyond what he ran at Clemson? Just trying to figure out how much stock I should put in your opinions.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 This is good news to me. Owner- Pegulas GM- Whaley Coach- TBD This is how things work on the football side. Brandon becomes President of football ops and handles the marketing/business side of things.
boyst Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Maybe this is going back a little bit further in the whole management thing and I think I just need a refresher. What exactly is Brandons role? A team president? vs GM? Compared to Brandon?
TPS Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Btw, the trend in news has been pretty consistent--something big every 2 days. Monday--Orton Retires. Wednesday--Marrone gone. Friday--Whaley leads search. Sunday...? Or is it a day of rest, and the next event goes back to Monday?
Bronc24 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Bad news for us. The whole Reich thing is predicated on nostalgia. Not saying that Reich won't be good, but he wasn't great with SD as an OC, he led the Chargers to one of their worst offenses in over a decade, the only worse one was under Hal Hunter (right, who's he) two years ago. This sounds good on paper but practically speaking is a roll-of-the-dice at best. I don't like the idea of Whaley being able to do more long-term damage to this organization. He'll hire someone that he can control more given how things ended up with Marrone. That's not good for us. Your head is clearly where the sun does not shine.
Dr. K Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I'm glad they are showing this trust in Whaley. I will be very interested to see who he comes up with. I hope that whoever it is, Schwartz is still with the team--the continuity will make a difference, and the team can go forward kicking the dust of Doug Marone off their cleats.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) It might be as simple as having two voices in the interviews, working phones etc.... and them working together well on other projects. It's not a 1 man project. I'd imagine that the hierarchy will be well defined.Also, RB has WAY more experience in hiring people in general. There is a skill to it. While Whaley will be listening for the candidates football vision Russ will be able to see things like will this guy fit within our culture? How will this guy's strengths mesh with the guys that we have here? Every organization has people meet with the top people prior to hiring them. It doesn't mean that it is their decision but they are looking for those types of things. Any candidate that I have ever hired was run by my boss. I had the final decision but wanted another set of experienced eyes in case there was something that I was missing. In my professional career I have never seen a situation where only 1 person made a decision on a candidate -ever. As kind of an aside I don't know if you guys have ever read strengthfinders but I am a HUGE believer in building an organization with complimentary strengths. You should really check it out & I'd encourage you to bring it to your organizations. It's a phenomenal way to identify the strengths of your group and where you may have some blind spots. At any rate I think that will more or less be what RB is doing in the room. Edited January 2, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
keepthefaith Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I don't know. I listen to Whaley and he comes across as a lightweight to me. Although the football industry does not always attract the brightest minds IMO.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 If Whaley is making the choice, I think that Reich and Schwartz are easily the two top choices. If Reich is going to adopt the Marv Levy/Mike Tomlin approach to head coaching I can easily see Whaley making that choice.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I don't know. I listen to Whaley and he comes across as a lightweight to me. Although the football industry does not always attract the brightest minds IMO. He came from Wall Street. Intelligence isn't Whaley's weakness. He may inexperienced but not stupid. In many ways he and Marrone were opposites on that. Marrone is an old school football guy. A guy that banged in the trenches but by no means an intellectual.
Helpmenow Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 With Russ looking thru the glass in the door I bet when the process is ongoing
bobobonators Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 He came from Wall Street. Intelligence isn't Whaley's weakness. He may inexperienced but not stupid. In many ways he and Marrone were opposites on that. Marrone is an old school football guy. A guy that banged in the trenches but by no means an intellectual.
paupmvp1995 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I am thrilled with this as well. It gives credence to the argument that Whaley is staying and that the Pugala likes him. Whaley is excellent. Listening to him speak, he comes off as a sharp knowledgable and articulate guy. Compared to Marrone who sounds like he got hit in the head too many times. (The guy comes off as pretty stupid for an NFL headcoach) And you got to love him finding guys like Baccari Rambo Marquise Gray Marcus Thigpen and Coltan Schmidt. Now just find us a stud QB from anywhere, and we will be in business. (Bryce Petty anyone?) Did anyone else think it was pretty stupid of Marrone to keep a kickoff specialist, when our kicker Dan Carpenter has one of the strongest legs in the NFL? I think that said everything about Marrone right there. That and sending Robert Woods Mike Williams and Jerry Hughes to the doghouse for no reason whatsoever.
FLFan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 As long as that's clear to the candidates, I don't think they need to make an announcement. Altho it would certainly put us fans at ease. They do not need to make any public statement on this. It can and should be discussed privately with the candidates. The Pegulas will announce the business structure at the appropriate time, and this is not it.
1B4IDie Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Its a pet peeve of mine whenever anyone mentions comparisons to the Sabres. Terry Pegula took both of the extremes to the Sabres. He kept total status quo one time. He totally cleaned house the other time including making up a brand new job for someone. How anyone can make any kind of comparison as to what he will do with the Bills is ridiculous. There is an automatic rebuttal that he did the exact opposite with the Sabres. Therefore all comparisons are worthless IMO. There is no trend. There is no model he will follow again. There is nothing to be insinuated from what he did. He did both extremes. Pegula - Bought Sabres - Kept Status Quo - Then cleaned house Pegula - Bought Bills - Kept Status Quo - Then will clean house if they fail. Yeah, no model, and it is crazy to make comparisons, so I am told.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Pegula - Bought Sabres - Kept Status Quo - Then cleaned house Pegula - Bought Bills - Kept Status Quo - Then will clean house if they fail. Yeah, no model, and it is crazy to make comparisons, so I am told. He hasn't kept status quo. He's already booted the coach. He already lessened the President's role. The model is shot before it even had a chance to start.
1B4IDie Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 He hasn't kept status quo. He's already booted the coach. He already lessened the President's role. The model is shot before it even had a chance to start. Like I said, Marrone flipped the script on Pegula. Put there is no vast overhaul as many had hoped and dreamed. (For good reason because it would have been a huge mistake to fire everyone) "Lessened the President's role?" - that is a stretch. What did you think he was going to do, continue to let Brandon vote at the NFL owners meetings?
TPS Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 If Whaley is making the choice, I think that Reich and Schwartz are easily the two top choices. If Reich is going to adopt the Marv Levy/Mike Tomlin approach to head coaching I can easily see Whaley making that choice. Educated guess or some insight from your time spent with him? I was wondering what kind of relationship he had with Schwartz?
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Like I said, Marrone flipped the script on Pegula. Put there is no vast overhaul as many had hoped and dreamed. (For good reason because it would have been a huge mistake to fire everyone) "Lessened the President's role?" - that is a stretch. What did you think he was going to do, continue to let Brandon vote at the NFL owners meetings? We don't know at all that he flipped the script on him. Pegula could very well have been planning on making Marrone change coordinators. And again, Russ has less duties. There are more changes coming. Overdorf may be gone, too. In three days, just because there was no immediate complete overhaul you cannot at all say it was going to be status quo. It already hasn't been and there is more to come.
Malazan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Educated guess or some insight from your time spent with him? I was wondering what kind of relationship he had with Schwartz? If we had actuall reporters in Buffalo, we might know
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