Saint Doug Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I'd also be fine with Schwartz. The way I see it is that we had no offense last season and everything on defense. We were a top 5 defense and our offense ranked 26th. Our offense was never going to improve while Marrone was here, so now we have the chance to get an offense and our team with an offense in the top half is a playoff team. Let's keep our defense (in Schwartz) and go get ourselves an offense.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 The Scwartz sucked in Detroit one winning season in 5. What is the fascination with this guy? he leaves and boom their in the playoffs. His defense in Buffalo was completly built, had a year of success and he was handed the keys. Just what did he do besides tightening up the run D? There are probably several DC's that could have acomplished what he did this year. Considering the talent he was handed. Yeah, i can't understand the people in this thread. Schwartz was a complete disaster in Detroit. His last two years of coaching in Detroit could not have been worse. Some epic underachieving, completely undisciplined and just flat out quitting on him. His results with that talent were almost surreally bad.
zonabb Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Tell you what, Schwartz is like every other retread of hot coordinator... nothing without a QB. I'd take him actually. He may have just lost that team in Detroit for whatever reason. I'd take him over Gase, Reich and any other coordinator mentioned so far.... 1) continuity and the players like him. Put one of his staffers in at DC and that D stays pretty good and 2) he's been a HC before and I think that matters. Like all of us, I'm sure he learned a lot from his gig in Detroit so why not. The caveat is, unlike Gase and Reich, he'll need a majorly good OC and who is out there? It's a tough call. Here's the issue.... if they pass him over, he's gone. No one sticks around after being dissed. Marrone will pay him more if he gets a job, or someone else will too.
FireChan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Tell you what, Schwartz is like every other retread of hot coordinator... nothing without a QB. I'd take him actually. He may have just lost that team in Detroit for whatever reason. I'd take him over Gase, Reich and any other coordinator mentioned so far.... 1) continuity and the players like him. Put one of his staffers in at DC and that D stays pretty good and 2) he's been a HC before and I think that matters. Like all of us, I'm sure he learned a lot from his gig in Detroit so why not. The caveat is, unlike Gase and Reich, he'll need a majorly good OC and who is out there? It's a tough call. Here's the issue.... if they pass him over, he's gone. No one sticks around after being dissed. Marrone will pay him more if he gets a job, or someone else will too. He had Stafford though. He's not the best, but I'd take him for the next 5 years.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 He had Stafford though. He's not the best, but I'd take him for the next 5 years. Yeah and I do not see Schwartz getting an interview anywhere unless it's a favor to his agent. He really soiled the Detroit organization and that memory is pretty fresh everywhere except in Buffalo where he had a good year as a DC. If you want a retread DC who has done a good job as a DC since he got fired.....and who actually had some success as a HC.....then interview Del Rio or Wade.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Over the last couple of days, I've seen a lot of suggestions for head coach. I don't think that Frank Reich would be a bad choice. He has no experience, but maybe going with a guy that has some history with this team, albeit not as a coach, would be good for the team and fans alike. I also don't mind Bill Cowher. Talk about a guy with experience and history! The title of this post says it all though. Why not Schwartz? Hasn't he earned something by taking a defense that was really good with Pettine and making it even better? Another idea here would be to make Schwartz the HC and bring in Reich as the OC. I'm just throwing out some ideas here, but a bit surprised that Schwartz hasn't even been part of the conversation. I'm not so sure you get Reich as OC. I think he's gunning for a HC gig. If he stays in SD he has a QB. I loved what Schwartz did with the D this year. I did not think much of his teams in Detroit, especially his last two years there. I thought the talent was there but the team was undisciplined and under-motivated. This year's record seems to bear me out. If I'm interviewing Schwartz, I'm particularly interested in what he has to say about that and about who he would like to bring in as OC and DC. My decision flows with what I hear on those subjects.
BackInDaDay Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Dirk Koetter, Mark Trestman are available. yes.. i like what Trestman accomplished last year with McCown.. he obviously doesn't need a big talent to get results. as far my beloved outside zone running game, goes.. he'd have to revamp our line quite a bit, and i don't know if he has the passion for that .. but since there are more Alex Gibbs VHS tapes laying in the basements of American footbal coaches, than there are of Deep Throat - i'm guessing that finding an energetic young elephant herder shouldn't be too hard. honstly - i didn't know Koetter by name - but i just read he may be competing with Trestman for the Bucs open OC gig.. and yeah - that guy knows how to get the ball downfield - granted, he did have a QB that's more accurate than ours.. i don't know what his contract lloks like, but maybe McCown becomes available after the draft - that might make for a nice reunion for him and Trestman at St John Fischer this summer.. i'm not writing EJ off, but these two ahve proven to be a capable duo - and all we need is to take advantage of some of the field position our D gives us to post more wins.. the better the O - the farther we go! there's Russ's new promo
Section242 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I see Schwartz as a fall back option, and I don't mean that in a terrible way. Lions went 11-5 after he's fired with an extremely favorable schedule. They were 2-4 against teams .500 or better. I'd like to do better but think he's an obvious safe choice.
BackInDaDay Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah, i can't understand the people in this thread. Schwartz was a complete disaster in Detroit. His last two years of coaching in Detroit could not have been worse. Some epic underachieving, completely undisciplined and just flat out quitting on him. His results with that talent were almost surreally bad. agree that was the the case there.. but was that the case here? here's the thing, by promoting Schwartz, we don't start from scratch.. all we do is get an OC that can get better production from who we already have, and work with the GM on improving that where possible. we're in fantastic shape on the defensive side of the ball, so the last thing we should do is jeopardize what may be an elite NFL defense next season.
pepsicat17 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 He lets you make the changes in the front office you want and at the same time bring some sort of continuity to the team as well, ie. starting competly fresh again. Whaley would have to have a big say in OC (actually entire offinsive staff - assuming Hackett goes) with him and let him concentrate on head coaching/defensive aspects of the team.
DCBongo Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Schwarz has already demonstrated the Peter Principle in Detroit. But, it would be a real shame to lose him as DC. You could have said the same about Marv after Kansas City or Belichick after Cleveland.
SoulMan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I like the Swartz idea but I like the Cowher Idea ALOT. more.
dave mcbride Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Yeah, i can't understand the people in this thread. Schwartz was a complete disaster in Detroit. His last two years of coaching in Detroit could not have been worse. Some epic underachieving, completely undisciplined and just flat out quitting on him. His results with that talent were almost surreally bad. No doubt, the last two years were disappointing. But otherwise you're kidding, right? Getting THAT franchise to 10-6 and the playoffs after taking over the worst team (by far) in recent NFL history ain't chopped liver. Also, they year they went 7-9 they had a number of skin-of-their-teeth losses (including one on thanksgiving that necessitated a change in the challenge rules). I'm not discounting the losing, but he's hardly Vince Tobin. He's actually a genuinely smart guy, unlike a lot of the martinet meatheads that end up with jobs. Edited January 2, 2015 by dave mcbride
Hazed and Amuzed Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I have a question, can Schwartz just leave if he's not happy? Isn't he under contract?
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 This is my personal choice for HC. Granted, the offense needs work, but that can be done by hiring an OC more competent than Hacket...which really isn't saying much is it? Jim Schwartz has won over the guys that he was supposed to coach. Kyle Williams, the veteran leader and the heart and soul of our defense, has used words to the effect of "Chain him to his car if you have to, don't let him leave." Our D is what is going to lead this team. Try to convince me of anything otherwise. They already buy into Schwartz completely. I do worry, a little, about his stint, and that he may be a better coordinator than head coach, but to me, any decision at head coach has to include Schwartz in the picture
TPS Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 No doubt, the last two years were disappointing. But otherwise you're kidding, right? Getting THAT franchise to 10-6 and the playoffs after taking over the worst team (by far) in recent NFL history ain't chopped liver. Also, they year they went 7-9 they had a number of skin-of-their-teeth losses (including one on thanksgiving that necessitated a change in the challenge rules). I'm not discounting the losing, but he's hardly Vince Tobin. He's actually a genuinely smart guy, unlike a lot of the martinet meatheads that end up with jobs. that's the way I look at it too, taking the worst team in the league to the playoffs in his 3rd year. He's certainly intense and emotional, but he's clearly a sharp guy that players like to play for. Contrary to "losing the team" in Detroit, most of the players defended him and wanted him back.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 If he becomes our next HC, we better get one hell of an OC.... CBF
bobobonators Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 in an imaginary world, Id want Schwartz as my HC and bring in Scott Frost from Oregon to be OC. I have a raging football boner for Frost. One can dream.
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