BillsFanMike Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I like Whaley he is a good if not great evaluator of talent. Definitely keep him Mr. Pegula
thewildrabbit Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 It could very well be considering its been two years of bad O lines. Then so many NFL analysts are saying he could have saved the #1 & #4 picks just by drafting Odell Beckham Jr. Who knows at this point. I feel he just needs an actual football mind over him as president. Nix will be gone. Marrone is gone. Hackett will likely follow Marrone..hopefully.
birdog1960 Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 sweep out all remnants of one of the most poorly run nfl organizations in recent history and start again. in the mid and long term it will pay off. you can't build a dream house on a run of the mill foundation.
FLFan Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I can't help but think that Whaley would have been fired by now, if the Pegulas were leaning that way. If Polian isn't on board until late January as has been reported, the GM, and perhaps Russ, would have to be looking for the new head coach. They can't wait until late January or February, to start looking for a new head coach. I think Whaley sticks around... Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe.
birdog1960 Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe. one thing we know for certain: nothing brandon says can be trusted. 2 or 3 days ago, everything was hunky dory with the gm and coach. disagreements were normal and expected. i hope he come out tomorrow stating he and whaley are safe...
TSOL Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) It would be a shame to lose Whaley because i think hes an excellent scout. I feel like hed be better in a role as a chief scout and talent advisor rather than GM. I dont see him being ok with a demotion, but id rather have a guy as GM that isnt trading away our next years first round picks. Edited January 1, 2015 by mastershake
KOKBILLS Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I really doubt Whaley goes anywhere...He was here long before Marrone...I think he'll be here long after... Then again...Who knows...This is already crazy...
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I really doubt Whaley goes anywhere...He was here long before Marrone...I think he'll be here long after... Then again...Who knows...This is already crazy... My thoughts, exactly. Many seem to feel the changes aren't over yet.
BrooklynBills Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly. If they intended to fire Whaley, then Marrone would still be here. Whaley is the one guy they they intend to retain beyond anyone, I believe. There are better GM candidates out there than Doug Whaley. Just because he is here doesn't mean we need to settle for him. We were settling for him to begin with. Step 1 for Pegs is to get the best people. Brandon, Whaley, and Marrone were far from best people.
In space no one can hear Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I highly doubt it. Whaley is building a team, modeled after the Steelers where he was groomed. That's what the Pegulas want. Marrone was power hungry. They took offense to that. That's why the report today was Whaley won the power struggle. His philosophies won out. Marrone threw a hissy fit and quit. What part of Whaley trading for Sammy Watkins epitomized the Steeler way? Just saying....
purple haze Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) There are better GM candidates out there than Doug Whaley. Just because he is here doesn't mean we need to settle for him. We were settling for him to begin with. Step 1 for Pegs is to get the best people. Brandon, Whaley, and Marrone were far from best people. No we weren't actually. Whaley was talked about as a young, up-and-coming GM candidate. That's why the Bills made him Assistant GM. Other teams wanted him. And if the Bills let him go other teams will still want him. This world where GM's hit on every pick does not exist. He's done more good than bad, and even his "bad" is still not totally known, because of the timing involved. I know this is a microwave society, but it's laughable that people already know that the Watkins trade didn't work out. EJ? We shall see. 14 games and bad coaching along the way. That book is still being written too. Not that they shouldn't bring in other QB's still. Edited January 1, 2015 by purple haze
Thunderstealer Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 yep see ya, Pegulas should totally clean house, new owner, new FO, new HC and NEW QB woohoo!!!!! Don't forget new Stadium!
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 What part of Whaley trading for Sammy Watkins epitomized the Steeler way? Just saying.... Funny you should ask. Whaley learned the game from a Steeler icon, Bill Nunn, who passed away last year. What Nunn told Whaley was "Do not ever, ever be afraid to make a big move if you believe in it strongly." http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/09/bills-draft-sammy-watkins-gutsy-trade/
In space no one can hear Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) Funny you should ask. Whaley learned the game from a Steeler icon, Bill Nunn, who passed away last year. What Nunn told Whaley was "Do not ever, ever be afraid to make a big move if you believe in it strongly." http://mmqb.si.com/2...ns-gutsy-trade/ Even better than making a big move is making a big move and having it be the right move. From following football the NFL since the 1970's- the trade for Watkins and trades for Bryce Brown and Mike Williams(both with character concerns) do not epitomize the Steeler way. Edited January 1, 2015 by In space no one can hear
RyanC883 Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Wasn't Whaley in Pittsburgh when cowher was there? yeah. And Whaley has a great reputation around the NFL. He isn't going anywhere. Whaley won. If Bill Polian is coming in it will be with a title of Director of Football operations or something like that. Like a long-term strategy sort of guy who can bring in big name coaches, etc.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 yeah. And Whaley has a great reputation around the NFL. He isn't going anywhere. Whaley won. If Bill Polian is coming in it will be with a title of Director of Football operations or something like that. Like a long-term strategy sort of guy who can bring in big name coaches, etc. Exactly. Although it's possible that Whaley loves Cowher and vice versa.
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Whaley is fine. The Bills choose him over Marrone, which IMHO was the correct move. As others have stated his name was brought up for other GM vacancies, but he stayed here as he was the heir apparent. The bigger question is what happens to Russ? From a business standpoint, he has done a great job with filling the seats, expanding the fan base, SJF is a great place to see training camp. The problem I see is that he has been the mouth piece for the organization and the fan base is over it. If he stays he needs to be removed from the football side of the house and I'm not sure that is fully possible. As we all saw with pic at the end of the season presser, Marrone reaches out to him first when KO retired, he is still involved more than he needs to be. I am not sure if he is out of the organization or in the Pegula Sports & Enternainment business. I just don't see how he can go from being the de-facto owner to just running the business side of the house. That is a big step down...
RyanC883 Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 No we weren't actually. Whaley was talked about as a young, up-and-coming GM candidate. That's why the Bills made him Assistant GM. Other teams wanted him. And if the Bills let him go other teams will still want him. This world where GM's hit on every pick does not exist. He's done more good than bad, and even his "bad" is still not totally known, because of the timing involved. I know this is a microwave society, but it's laughable that people already know that the Watkins trade didn't work out. EJ? We shall see. 14 games and bad coaching along the way. That book is still being written too. Not that they shouldn't bring in other QB's still. I agree 100% with this. People want 100% accuracy from a GM, and you can't get it. Sammy had a GREAT season considering his injuries and the QB play. Also, don't forget Whaley found Graham, who turned out to be a huge part of the revitalized secondary, drafted leading tacklet Preston Brown, got Brandon Spikes, and rebuilt the Special Teams unit. He also put enough talent on the offensive side of the ball, a "Franchise QB" was nowhere to be found. AT least he keeps trying to fix that position. The O-line also seriously/unexpectedly regressed this year.
The Dean Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly. Although it's possible that Whaley loves Cowher and vice versa. Again, for what it is worth: I'm all in with The Chin! Doubt he will come here, but all of a sudden the Bills job is interesting. A perfect position for an offensive minded HC to make a quick impact. If Cowher really wants to return to coaching, I think he needs to strike relatively quickly. Whaley is fine. What? You've been saying he sucks and needs to go. No? Have you lost track of your own stupidity?
jahnyc Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I think all bets are off at this point regarding Whaley and possibly Brandon. What happens also may not play out as quickly as the situation with Marrone, particularly if Polian is coming but not until the end of January or after.
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