C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 As the years go by, the 2013 class of QBs doesn't look so bad.
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 As the years go by, the 2013 class of QBs doesn't look so bad. Compared to what?
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Compared to what? The last 2 class that everyone thought we so superior. LAst year's class wasn't that good and this one's seems very blah too.
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 The last 2 class that everyone thought we so superior. LAst year's class wasn't that good and this one's seems very blah too. Both 2014 & 2015 classes are likely to provide at least a solid starter. The 2013 class will be lucky to be consistent 2nd string. No comparison at all.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Both 2014 & 2015 classes are likely to provide at least a solid starter. The 2013 class will be lucky to be consistent 2nd string. No comparison at all. I guess that's like your opinion, man. Manuel's rookie season was actually better than Carr's. Bridgewater has a slightly better season but I have questions about his arm strength and he benefited from learning from Norv Turner, which is a huge advantage over what EJ had. And I reserve judgments on rookie QBs because last offseason, everyone tried to convince how superior Bortles and Johnny Bench were. Both of those guys were much, much worse. It's pretty dumb to make definite statements on young QBs one way or the other. I do think no recent QB got a worse offensive coaching staff than EJ got. Hackett as a rookie NFL OC and QB coach for EJ's rookie year was a disgrace. Hopefully, none of the young guys this year will be put in such a terrible situation.
K D Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 The last 2 class that everyone thought we so superior. LAst year's class wasn't that good and this one's seems very blah too. 2013 was by far the worst QB class. And of course that was the year we drafted a QB. Last year had a lot of talent: Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Johnny football. All of those guys have been starters. This year has Winston and Marriotta who will both be day 1 starters and be in the league for a long time. I think Petty will be good eventually in the right system. So 2013 was definitey bad by comparison
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 2013 was by far the worst QB class. And of course that was the year we drafted a QB. Last year had a lot of talent: Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Johnny football. All of those guys have been starters. This year has Winston and Marriotta who will both be day 1 starters and be in the league for a long time. I think Petty will be good eventually in the right system. So 2013 was definitey bad by comparisonWhy did you include Manziel in that group?
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I guess that's like your opinion, man. Manuel's rookie season was actually better than Carr's. Bridgewater has a slightly better season but I have questions about his arm strength and he benefited from learning from Norv Turner, which is a huge advantage over what EJ had. And I reserve judgments on rookie QBs because last offseason, everyone tried to convince how superior Bortles and Johnny Bench were. Both of those guys were much, much worse. It's pretty dumb to make definite statements on young QBs one way or the other. I do think no recent QB got a worse offensive coaching staff than EJ got. Hackett as a rookie NFL OC and QB coach for EJ's rookie year was a disgrace. Hopefully, none of the young guys this year will be put in such a terrible situation. I know it sounds like a broken record, but using QBR & QB ratings will not fly in the discussion, because many of the rookie QBs this year looked better than EJ & Geno did as rookies. They also don't have the same questions heading into their second years that EJ & Geno did. At this point, it's doubtful that EJ, Geno & Glennon are opening day starters for their teams. You blame coaching for it, but that's irrelevant now because the new coaching staffs aren't tied to the former first round picks. Reality is the 2014 class has a more promising future than the 2013 class, which could go down as one of the worst QB classes in decades.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 2013 was by far the worst QB class. And of course that was the year we drafted a QB. Last year had a lot of talent: Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Johnny football. All of those guys have been starters. This year has Winston and Marriotta who will both be day 1 starters and be in the league for a long time. I think Petty will be good eventually in the right system. So 2013 was definitey bad by comparison Rookie season QBRs: Mettenberger 30.1 Bortles 21.9 Bridgewater 50.2 Carr 38.4 Manziel 5.1 Manuel as a rookie 42.3 Now I realize that since Manuel wasn't an all pro after 14 games so that makes him junk. I Don't know if he will be great. But his OC, who was his rookie year QB coach too, had a total of 2 years of OC experience at Cuse. Please give me a rookie QB who learned under a less experienced OC?
K D Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Why did you include Manziel in that group? lol I almost didn't but he did end up starting at the end of the year and could very well be the starter in Cleveland this year
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I know it sounds like a broken record, but using QBR & QB ratings will not fly in the discussion, because many of the rookie QBs this year looked better than EJ & Geno did as rookies. They also don't have the same questions heading into their second years that EJ & Geno did. At this point, it's doubtful that EJ, Geno & Glennon are opening day starters for their teams. You blame coaching for it, but that's irrelevant now because the new coaching staffs aren't tied to the former first round picks. Reality is the 2014 class has a more promising future than the 2013 class, which could go down as one of the worst QB classes in decades. Unless you just don't like EJ, how can you pretend like he didn't have his moments? The Carolina game against the #2 defense in NFL? (I understand if he threw for 4 more yards to top 300 it would be such a better performance)? The 2nd Jets game, where he rebounded from a terrible 1st game against one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL in terrible weather conditions? Leaving the field with leads against the PAts and Atlanta (and had 2 potential GWDs ruined by fumbles) only to see the defense blow it (does Seattle's defense lose those games)? A road win against a Chicago team that was a heavy favorite and thought to be a playoff type team? He's definitely had his moments and struggles. Like all young QBs. lol I almost didn't but he did end up starting at the end of the year and could very well be the starter in Cleveland this year So a guy who looked like a JV player is able to a starter and EJ can't?
thebandit27 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 2013 was by far the worst QB class. And of course that was the year we drafted a QB. Last year had a lot of talent: Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Johnny football. All of those guys have been starters. This year has Winston and Marriotta who will both be day 1 starters and be in the league for a long time. I think Petty will be good eventually in the right system. So 2013 was definitey bad by comparison So what? Jamarcus Russell was a starter for a while...does that make him good? Rookie season QBRs: Mettenberger 30.1 Bortles 21.9 Bridgewater 50.2 Carr 38.4 Manziel 5.1 Manuel as a rookie 42.3 Now I realize that since Manuel wasn't an all pro after 14 games so that makes him junk. I Don't know if he will be great. But his OC, who was his rookie year QB coach too, had a total of 2 years of OC experience at Cuse. Please give me a rookie QB who learned under a less experienced OC? Much more relevant point: how did they play?
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Unless you just don't like EJ, how can you pretend like he didn't have his moments? The Carolina game against the #2 defense in NFL? (I understand if he threw for 4 more yards to top 300 it would be such a better performance)? The 2nd Jets game, where he rebounded from a terrible 1st game against one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL in terrible weather conditions? Leaving the field with leads against the PAts and Atlanta (and had 2 potential GWDs ruined by fumbles) only to see the defense blow it (does Seattle's defense lose those games)? A road win against a Chicago team that was a heavy favorite and thought to be a playoff type team? He's definitely had his moments and struggles. Like all young QBs. So a guy who looked like a JV player is able to a starter and EJ can't? All QBs have moments. Yet that's different from him being a starting caliber QB. And that's different from the comment that the 2013 QB class doesn't look so bad, when it actually does look pretty bad.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 So what? Jamarcus Russell was a starter for a while...does that make him good? Much more relevant point: how did they play? It's all about the eye test. In the one game against the Bills, Carr was good (of course, most people didn't watch the Rams game where he was completely awful). To bring it full circle, odds are none of this guys at the Senior Bowl have a significant moment in the NFL. Most QBs fail. It is the hardest position in sports. But the need to make final judgments after 1 or 2 seasons is just strange. All QBs have moments. Yet that's different from him being a starting caliber QB. And that's different from the comment that the 2013 QB class doesn't look so bad, when it actually does look pretty bad. There is zero evidence EJ or Geno are worse QBs than Bortles, Manziel, or Carr at this point.
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 There is zero evidence EJ or Geno are worse QBs than Bortles, Manziel, or Carr at this point. You must watch the games through a different set of video frequencies.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 You must watch the games through a different set of video frequencies. Every guy is better than our guy. I get it. Stats don't matter because obviously they must be slanted towards EJ. Only the eye test is valid.
eball Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Every guy is better than our guy. I get it. Stats don't matter because obviously they must be slanted towards EJ. Only the eye test is valid. The slow eye test.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 The slow eye test. I can't wait for the combine to watch the eye test.
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Every guy is better than our guy. I get it. Stats don't matter because obviously they must be slanted towards EJ. Only the eye test is valid. Are there questions in Jax, Minny & Oakland about who their opening day starter in 2015 will be? Are any of those QBs encouraged to go to QB gurus to fix major flaws in their game this offseason? Are you still insisting that EJ & Geno would have been drafted in their exact spots if they were selected in the 2014 draft?
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Are there questions in Jax, Minny & Oakland about who their opening day starter in 2015 will be? Are any of those QBs encouraged to go to QB gurus to fix major flaws in their game this offseason? Are you still insisting that EJ & Geno would have been drafted in their exact spots if they were selected in the 2014 draft? Because those teams didn't have a moron for a head coach!!! A guy who was just looking out for himself and thought an average on his best days vet who was a kitty cat was better. And EJ was the clear cut starter going into his second year. And who cares where they would be drafted? The draft for QBs is a complete crap shoot. Look at the pre draft Bortles threads. I didn't get the hype. He basically was a less athletic EJ, yet he was considered a top 10 pick. And he was much, much worse than EJ as rookie.
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