The Dean Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Which NFL GM said they'd never draft Winston in the first round? The talking heads like McShay and Kiper might have said it, but then two weeks later he's back in their top 10. That's a joke. What scouts mean is in regards to the physical and mental tools exhibited on the field Winston stacks up to Luck, he has the red flags but he's not sliding out of the first round, probably not the top 5. And i agree, you can't give the farm for someone, i'm sure the Redskins regret giving up everything they did for RG III. GMs don't comment on the record about draft picks, before the draft. When they do you never know what they mean. And they rarely, if ever, trash anyone. The people who do public draft analysis, year after year, are the only sources we have for comparing things like this. Great sources? No but for tracking purposes it's what we have to work with, unless you'd rather just ask Kellyto83. But anyway, I never said he would slide out of the 1st round---or even the top 5. Somebody will roll the dice. I'm saying he isn't UNIVERSALLY praised as a safe, sure thing, lock #1 NFL pick. Luck was. Ergo, ipso facto, humpty dumpty, Winston does not equal Luck as a prospect---that is if you are worried about getting a lemon. If all you care about is upside, and can ignore the possible negatives, then sure, he has talent. Definitely high first round talent. So did Ryan Leaf, according to many.
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2014 Author Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) If anyone is interested in PFF evaluation - really good analysis here @PFF_Steve: Breaking down Mariota and Winston using stats and @PFF grades, also an interesting chart sizing up against NFL QBs https://t.co/FCffZdEX3d Edited December 31, 2014 by YoloinOhio
BobbyC81 Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Not to mention that this trade is nowhere close to enough to acquire the #1 overall pick. a Second round pick this year (50th overall), a #1 next year and a great defensive tackle with 1yr left on his deal and off field issues. We would need to give up probably 2 more #1s to move up that far. Remember the Rams gave up the #6 overall pick plus a second round pick in 2012 along with their #1 picks in 2013 and 2014 to move from #6 to #2. The Redskins traded all of those picks to the Rams to get RG3.
The Dean Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 If anyone is interested in PFF evaluation - really good analysis here @PFF_Steve: Breaking down Mariota and Winston using stats and @PFF grades, also an interesting chart sizing up against NFL QBs https://t.co/FCffZdEX3d Very complete overview. I know not to put too much stock in any one analysis. But I think PFF did a good job with this one.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 He said he would trade Marcel Dareus, next year's first and our 1st pick this year for the #1 overall pick this year, in which he would pick Jamies Winston. But the Sammy trade was too risky ... sometimes in desperation people make mario for skelton trades Joe is a good guy but no way I make that trade, joe is suffering from temporary insanity, he wil come back around. Wonder how much time you guys would give him before labeling him a bust. 5-6 quarters this time? 7 Dareus is an all pro, the best of what you want to draft. (well, a few off field problems) None the less, no trade involving him makes sense. It would for Luck or Rodgers A better question would be, is if Winston falls to our first pick at #50 would you take him. And if so, how much time would you be willing to give him? 8 quarters
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 And it gets worse Check out #4 @JoeBuscaglia: 5 more names the Bills should talk to about the HC opening http://t.co/x1SBPz5hHl
plenzmd1 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Maybe a bit to big of a jump for Nate I agree, but i could live with Shwartz as HC and Nate as OC. And, Joe B said should interview, not hire
BillnutinHouston Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 And it gets worse Check out #4 @JoeBuscaglia: 5 more names the Bills should talk to about the HC opening http://t.co/x1SBPz5hHl Wow. If that interview happens the Bills better keep it quiet or they'd probably lose half of their season ticket holders just on the basis of their considering Hackett.
Coach Tuesday Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 And it gets worse Check out #4 @JoeBuscaglia: 5 more names the Bills should talk to about the HC opening http://t.co/x1SBPz5hHl What is going on?
The Big Cat Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Hiring Nate Hackett as HC would at the very least accomplish two things: 1. Would pulverize the TSW server. 2. Would keep the WGR phone lines lit like a Christmas Tree until September.
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Hiring Nate Hackett as HC would at the very least accomplish two things: 1. Would pulverize the TSW server. 2. Would keep the WGR phone lines lit like a Christmas Tree until September. He works for wgr so great point!
Deranged Rhino Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Hiring Nate Hackett as HC would at the very least accomplish two things: 1. Would pulverize the TSW server. 2. Would keep the WGR phone lines lit like a Christmas Tree until September. So true.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I normally like Joe B but he is by no means an expert. He went to FSU and hated EJ. He loves Winston. He has a very biased view.
TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Here is what scares me: Joe B is very plugged into OBD He is all of a sudden all pro-Hackett This makes me worry that Hackett stays as OC
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Here is what scares me: Joe B is very plugged into OBD He is all of a sudden all pro-Hackett This makes me worry that Hackett stays as OC Hackett is Marrone's scapegoat puppet. He will follow Marrone everywhere.
34-78-83 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Hackett had WR's running open in almost every game this season. Just saying... Not that I like him as a HC candidate
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Hackett had WR's running open in almost every game this season. Just saying... Not that I like him as a HC candidate I just read right on this here forum that Sammy Watkins was never able to get open. I'm confused.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 And it gets worse Check out #4 @JoeBuscaglia: 5 more names the Bills should talk to about the HC opening http://t.co/x1SBPz5hHl Joe B shock DJ
TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 There is a bit too much smoke to the "Hackett is actually a genius again!" story for my liking
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