Joe B just lost all credibility, Part II

[The Dean]

Further evidence that Joe B ain't making it up: http://walterfootbal...015jwinston.php . Read to the end.

 

 

Perhaps, but Winston has never been criticized for laziness or unwillingness to do the work. He's been criticized for being a felon, which he may well be.

 

 

I'm not sure I'd use Walter as a credible source. But I don't think people are arguing Winston isn't a talented QB.. He is. Although for "the next big thing" he played some horrendous first half ball, this year. I don't recall EJ ever making the kind of bad throws Winston made, on occasion, this year. Of course he made some very good ones, too. But recall when he was accused of throwing a 1st half for a friend. Nothing came of that, but I saw that level of play in more than one game. Interception city.

 

But Walter comparing him to Luck is preposterous. Luck was a sure thing, Manningesque in that he had talent and character. There was almost no chance getting a big payday would go to his head. Who knows with Winston? Lots of talented guys don't make it in the NFL. Hell, some can't make it through college. I doubt Winston would be in the discussion had he picked the wrong college, as he would have been benched, or tossed out, due to his poor off field behavior. I have the same concerns I had with Manzeil, but at least Winston has some real talent.

Edited December 30, 2014 by The Dean

[dave mcbride]

I'm not sure I'd use Walter as a credible source. But I don't think people are arguing Winston isn't a talented QB.. He is. Although for "the next big thing" he played some horrendous first half, this year. I don't recall EJ ever making the kind of bad throws Winston made, on occasion, this year. Of course he made some very good ones, too.

 

But Walter comparing him to Luck is preposterous. Luck was a sure thing, Manningesque in that he had talent and character. There was almost no chance getting a big payday would go to his head. Who knows with Winston? Lots of talented guys don't make it in the NFL. Hell, some can't make it through college. I doubt Winston would be in the discussion had he picked the wrong college, as he would have been benched, or tossed out, due to his poor off field behavior. I have the same concerns I had with Manzeil, but at least Winston has some real talent.

Dean - read that SI piece I link to earlier in the thread. Btw, I'm not advocating trading the farm for Winston. Really, I'm just reacting to the comparisons to Manuel, Newton, etc. I'm also extremely impressed by his baseball performance (I'm slightly more interested in college baseball than college football).

Edited December 30, 2014 by dave mcbride

[The Dean]

Dean - read that SI piece I link to earlier in the thread. Btw, I'm not advocating trading the farm for Winston. Really, I'm just reacting to the comparisons to Manuel, Newton, etc. I'm also extremely impressed by his baseball performance (I'm slightly more interested in college baseball than college football).

 

I will when I get back home, Dave.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

Can't argue with that if so long as that QB is a proven elite QB.

You do realize that no one trades away a guaranteed star. You trade away potential stars who could just as easily fail.

[Big Turk]

 

 

Winston is BY FAR the best QB that will be drafted into the NFL this year (even though he's a total immature douche) but yeah totally agree with your main point "But the Sammy trade was too risky ..." LOL - That station's personalities really believe some of the crap they spew.

 

When was the last great QB from FSU? Like never?

[All_Pro_Bills]

I think Mariota is the better prospect particularly because of WInston's behavioral issues and I'm looking forward to #2 Oregon vs. #3 Florida State at 5PM New Years Day. But I wouldn't do Joe B's deal proposal for either..

[dave mcbride]

When was the last great QB from FSU? Like never?

Prior to Tom Brady, who was the last great Michigan QB? Like never? Michigan was famous at producing duds at the QB position for decades. My point is that it's about the player, not the school.

 

Also, to be fair, while he wasn't great Brad Johnson had a very solid NFL career: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnBr00.htm.

Edited December 30, 2014 by dave mcbride

[TAinLack.]

wouldn't do it, a lot to lose and no guarintees!!!

[jester43]

first, geez it's just an opinion.

 

second, i don't watch enough college football to know if i'd do this...my gut, like yours, says it's nuts.

 

but, it underscores what a desperate situation we're in: we really and truly are going nowhere without a significant upgrade at QB.

[HOUSE]

I will trade Joe B for Mike Schoop,then push them both over the falls

 

Then apologize to the Indians for throwing crap in the water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited December 30, 2014 by HOUSE

[Peter]

I would not trade anything to move up to pick Winston. I would have a hard time picking him with the 50th pick in the draft.

 

Given the choice between EJ and Jameis, I would prefer to continue to develop EJ (and see what is out there in FA). EJ is a great kid and teammate, works hard, and was a complete professional when the Bills went with KO.

 

I do not see any of those qualities with Jameis. Also, keep in mind that in watching Jameis these past two seasons, FSU has much better players at pretty much every other position than just about every team they have played. It will be interesting to see how Jameis does this week (and against Alabama or OSU if FSU gets that far).

[TAinLack.]

+2 ...bulldog in tow.

[Beef Jerky]

He said he would trade Marcel Dareus, next year's first and our 1st pick this year for the #1 overall pick this year, in which he would pick Jamies Winston.

 

 

But the Sammy trade was too risky ...

 

One is a potential franchise QB... The other is a WR who wasn't even the best in his class.

[boyst]

Schop never had credibility, but I have been writing down all of his ideas to improve the team.

• Get Cutler via trade if necessary, even if it costs a lot
  
• Fire Marrone and Whaley.
  
• Rename the franchise because we are a franchise of misery. Rebrand everything about us in order to make a new image.
  

Absolutely love the last part.

 

Then apologize to the Indians Native Americans for throwing crap in the water.

can't just correct grammar, gotta be PC.

 

Mostly because there are a lot of Indians at the Falls these days

Edited December 30, 2014 by jboyst62

[Dopey]

I would not trade anything to move up to pick Winston. I would have a hard time picking him with the 50th pick in the draft.

 

Given the choice between EJ and Jameis, I would prefer to continue to develop EJ (and see what is out there in FA). EJ is a great kid and teammate, works hard, and was a complete professional when the Bills went with KO.

 

I do not see any of those qualities with Jameis. Also, keep in mind that in watching Jameis these past two seasons, FSU has much better players at pretty much every other position than just about every team they have played. It will be interesting to see how Jameis does this week (and against Alabama or OSU if FSU gets that far).

I'm going to guess you haven't seen much of Jameis in his two seasons because saying you would have a hard time picking him at 50 is crazy talk. I watched EJ play his whole career at FSU and Jameis. I would have taken a freshman Jameis over a graduated EJ 2 yrs ago. EJ waits till he see's you open, then throws to you. Jamies throws it where you are supposed to be ahead of time. You have to trust the play called and anticipate. Winston does that very well. EJ, not so much.

[Beef Jerky]

Winston is dumb as a stump and a character risk. He might grow up, but he won't get smarter.

 

Without proof it just sounds like you hate him for no reason. He is actually supposedly a very smart football player. They said he has a knack for reading defenses and seeing blitzes.

[dave mcbride]

Without proof it just sounds like you hate him for no reason. He is actually supposedly a very smart football player. They said he has a knack for reading defenses and seeing blitzes.

I recommend reading this -- http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/23/jameis-winston-nfl-prospect-florida-state/ .

[BELLABEANER]

He also thinks that the position of guard is irrelevant and that using a first or second round pick on one is a waste. Of course weve all seen that strategy work brilliantly for the Bills ever since Levitre left. Someone feel free to correct me if Im wrong but I think Levitre was actually the last time we used a first or second rounder to draft a guy who wound up playing guard for us. As for the trade proposal, way to risky. Winston has bust written all over him. He may grow up and turn out to be great but I wouldnt count on it. Pretty substantial decline in production as well. 16 less td's. 7 more picks. 2 yards less per attempt. To many red flags to give up so much.

Edited December 30, 2014 by BELLABEANER

[Agent 91]

He said he would trade Marcel Dareus, next year's first and our 1st pick this year for the #1 overall pick this year, in which he would pick Jamies Winston.

 

 

But the Sammy trade was too risky ...

 

The problem with Joe "Bust"... is that they actually let him inside the first door of the facility at ONE so people actually take him for having some sort of credibility. He is still a hack and I really never care to talk to him. He wants to sound like an authority yet I doubt he knows anything more than what he learned on Madden. Compare Sal to Joe. .. given the same exact access to information and its not even close. The difference is experience in the field

[Max997]

Joe B is a huge FSU fan so not surprising he would suggest such ridiculousness.

 

Marcel is the most important player on the Bills and Winston is going to be a disaster to whoever drafts him

Edited December 30, 2014 by Max997