Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Joe Flacco 1st year - 65/148 - 43.9% 4th year - 77/194 - 39.7% 7th year - 63/151 - 41.7% Interesting that he's gotten worse.
Sojourner Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Joe Flacco 1st year - 65/148 - 43.9% 4th year - 77/194 - 39.7% 7th year - 63/151 - 41.7% Interesting that he's gotten worse. Which proves the point, anyone can get better or worse. Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from?
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Which proves the point, anyone can get better or worse. Just out of curiosity, where are you getting these from? ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps.
Sojourner Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. Much appreciated for letting me know, gonna have a look at most franchise/successful QBs. I am under the same belief and hope that there's a chance they become the guy we need. I will be with whatever Quarterback/s we have under contract on our 53 man roster until they go somewhere else.
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. The only problem is that there is no clear stat to look at. Some might be better than others, but did Joe Flacco REALLY get less accurate? Who knows?
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Matt Ryan Low (2nd) - 59/145 - 40.7% High (5th) - 109/199 - 54.8% Tony Romo 2nd* - 70/139 - 50.4% 10th - 70/133 - 52.6% (I was surprised to see, statistically, Romo has been pretty excellent ever since coming into the league, him choking late in the season really does give him a bad name overall) P. Rivers* 3rd* - 87/167 - 52.1% 11th - 96/196 - 49.0% * - first year playing significant time The only problem is that there is no clear stat to look at. Some might be better than others, but did Joe Flacco REALLY get less accurate? Who knows? I used one of the suggested stats. I'm not sure what else you want from me. I have no clue if EJ will get better. I wanted to see if it was possible. R. Tannehill 1st - 69/153 - 45.1% (76.1 QBRating) 3rd - 77/173 - 44.5% (92.8 QBRating) Tannehill made +10% improvements in under 10 yard passes, and improved his TD/INT ratio, which brought his QB Rating up significantly Edited February 25, 2015 by Dorkington
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Matt Ryan Low (2nd) - 59/145 - 40.7% High (5th) - 109/199 - 54.8% Tony Romo 2nd* - 70/139 - 50.4% 10th - 70/133 - 52.6% (I was surprised to see, statistically, Romo has been pretty excellent ever since coming into the league, him choking late in the season really does give him a bad name overall) P. Rivers* 3rd* - 87/167 - 52.1% 11th - 96/196 - 49.0% * - first year playing significant time I used one of the suggested stats. I'm not sure what else you want from me. I have no clue if EJ will get better. I wanted to see if it was possible. R. Tannehill 1st - 69/153 - 45.1% (76.1 QBRating) 3rd - 77/173 - 44.5% (92.8 QBRating) Tannehill made +10% improvements in under 10 yard passes, and improved his TD/INT ratio, which brought his QB Rating up significantly The point was that while it is a better stat, it is still imperfect. Edited February 25, 2015 by FireChan
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 The point was that while it is a better stat, it is still imperfect. I guess if it's imperfect, I can't disprove the "fact" that accuracy can't be taught/learned. My apologies for wasting everyone's time.
BmarvB Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 EJ will be working with a better offensive coaching staff this time around. My money is on him showing enough improvement to justify continued development. START HIM!
FireChan Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I guess if it's imperfect, I can't disprove the "fact" that accuracy can't be taught/learned. My apologies for wasting everyone's time. Before you continue your fake self-derision schtick, know that you can't prove that accuracy can't be taught either.
Thrivefourfive Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 ESPN splits That's really what I'm looking for... can a QB improve with accuracy? I still believe they can. Others say they cannot. Again, this does not mean that I believe EJ will or wont improve. I'd just like to see us give him a chance to, considering all the other realistic options out there are pretty much developed (been in the league a while) and about the same as EJ in overall skill. So might as well develop/see what we have with our young guy. That is, unless someone like Brees drops into our laps. Set feet, square shoulders, get on top of the ball, and no more short arming throws. There, improved.
npeartisgod Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 EJ will start the first four games. If he doesn't have "it" he'll be gone.
Dorkington Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Before you continue your fake self-derision schtick, know that you can't prove that accuracy can't be taught either. You are so much smarter than everyone else here.
Ted William's frozen head Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Orton hates training camp. He will return, and the Bills will be hard up enough to re-sign him Set feet, square shoulders, get on top of the ball, and no more short arming throws. There, improved. 'Cept when he starts hearing **********FOOTSTEPS!**********
SJDK Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 EJ Manuel and if it isn't then it's probably going to be someone worse
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Hoyer. Seems like the right confluences of circumstances. He's a free agent and the Browns will let him walk. The Browns have to get him out of the way to put the pressure on Manziel to mature and be the unquestioned leader. The relationship with Pettine will allow the team to get some good intel on him. And of course, he's mediocre with limitations, about all you really can find in free agency at the QB position. Yep. Looks that way if McCown doesn't want the gig. If I posted before oh well... The Bills will pick up Locker, then they will draft Grayson. That is the only move the Bills can pull off that gives them the best chance of finding a starting QB through competition. Hopefully Grayson wins and the Bills make the playoffs. Grayson would be nice. Brett Hundley would be the second coming of EJ so again another year when QB is a need and little to no options... and no 1st rounder as well. (But I still like the trade.... this draft sucks !)
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