chaccof Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills.....
Fadingpain Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 I still don't get why people think that with Pegula at the owners wheel the money will flow? The owneship situation has certainly stabilized, but not sure how that translates to winning football. Because he has spent enormous amounts of money improving the Sabres on-ice and off-ice organization. We are talking expenditures that go way beyond mere player salary and cap issues. It took a couple of years to get the Sabres organization where we want it once Pegula came in. We have a break-in period to endure with the Bills as well in my opinion.
8-8 Forever? Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 pretty sure the opt out clause was to protect him from an owner relocating the team. 3 day opt out is so short it had to be in contemplation of some kind of disaster scenario, which is not the case. The really good news so far is no one is going after Schwartz as yet
Noodlearm Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 If he gets an offer he's gone. Does anyone believe he didn't know about Orton's retirement plans? He really was going for the best chance to win, to build up his resume with winning record. He and Orton left Bill's high and dry,not even giving an idea if EJ could possiblly assume the starting role next year by letting him start in last game. He should have put him in second half against Raiders. This explains everything!
Fixxxer Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. I say we were prepared for that game. We forced a 3 and out and scored on the first drive, then they had another chance and went 3 and out, you could see in Carr's face that he would not be able to do much, then when we were driving for another score we throw a pick and let them into to the game, if we score there they run for the bus. After that pick Dareus gets hurt and they find a way into the game by running the ball, this deflated the defense and took a while for it to adjust to Dareus absence. Momentum was a B word in that game.
bbb Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 It's time for Saint Doug to perform his 3rd miracle!
Gugny Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 oh god. are we just going to get full meltdown whine mode here? lets wait until JW or TG say something. You mean TW or JK; then re-tweeted by TG.
boyst Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 What an amazing coup Pittsburgh pulled when they hired Tomlin. that was my hidden gem. The steelers had this guy groomed and ready in the wings. I can't wait for us to have that
2003Contenders Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 When you say the team was prepared every single week, does that include Oakland? I agree the team was way better in this regard than normal, but the let-down in Oakland was a massive setback for me. We were supposed to have grown/progressed beyond that sort of thing at that point in the season, and we hadn't. Well, knowing what we know now -- that Orton was 8 days away from announcing his retirement (reportedly without cluing the coaches in ahead of time), I think it helps to explain some of the spineless things we saw out of him in that game (and others). The Bills also lost their top DT (who had helped shut down the Raiders running game prior to his departure) as well as their top corner (the Bills had only allowed 6 receptions to that point). Meanwhile, the Bills have always had trouble winning games out on the West Coast -- even when they were good 15+ years ago. And even with all that, the game down to one fluke play on a 3rd and 22 conversion.
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 That's the one thing I truly don't like about Marrone: Hackett. The entire offense is under-performing, and Hackett is clearly in over his head. Loyalty is great, and he may be the greatest coach in practice, but he just can't call a game to save his life, and largely the same OL that opened holes for Spiller to the tune of 6.0 ypc in 2012 couldn't block sunlight this year. This team is a decent OC away from the playoffs. Not even good. Just decent. Someone who knows how to design a blocking scheme that actually blocks up the middle when you try to run up the middle. The addition of Hostler as Senior Offensive Assistant and Downing as Quarterbacks coach sure didn't make an impact. The offense was worse than in 2013 and EJ Manuel regressed.
BackInDaDay Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 This is exactly right. All this talk of a new coach is reminiscent of schools girls gossiping in the cafeteria. Marrone is not going anywhere, nor should he. Polian is not coming here, nor is he needed. Cowher is not coming here, nor would I want him after eight years out of the NFL. I would like to see some shakeups on the offensive side of the ball and some better talent at QB and OL like everyone else. Otherwise, I am satisfied with the leadership of this team from the HC perspective. He defintely deserves an opportunity to finish the job, and it has been a long time since that could be said. i envy your ability to dismiss the fact that the only unit that Marrone hasn't improved - is the the unit he was hired to improve.. i certainly respect your optimism.. and i think most Bills fans are - at heart - very tolerant, optimistic folks. it's just that some of us are, well, frustrated by what we believe were squandered opportunities this year, and we place the blame for these squandered opportunities on the head coach and OC - the men who failed to develop an offense that could of helped the other two units get more than one game over .500 and get into the tourney. this is our curse - our gut feeling that the same offensive specialists who couldn't get it figured out in 2 years time, are not going to suddenly get it right in 2015.. and being powerless to effect any change that will keep us from another dissappointing year, we default to bitching like schoolgirls about what was wasted and by who.. then we speculate on what these knuckleheads need to succeed - because in our eyes - they already had enough. it's messed up. we're probably more fanatical than Islamic fundamentalists
FutureBillsGM Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 that was my hidden gem. The steelers had this guy groomed and ready in the wings. I can't wait for us to have that What do you mean they had him groomed and ready in the wings? He was an outside hire after one year of being Minnesota's defensive coordinator and never was in the Steelers organization?
SectionC3 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 No way Marrone gets an NFL offer this week. Not a chance. Pegula just elevated the value of every franchise in the league with his huge bid for the Bills, and his new partners just aren't going to poach his coach a few months after the purchase. Not a chance.
John from Riverside Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills..... That is a separate issue....the fact is Pegula DOES spend
Augie Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 I triple Dog Dare him to opt out DARN! Now he's got no choice! Could you do truth or dare instead? Or even just a Double Dog Dare?
NastyNateSoldiers Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) I hope Marrone opts out him & his 3 wide sets. The man doesn't know what a spread offense is and definitely never heard of 4 or 5 wrs sets. Edited December 30, 2014 by NastyNateSoldiers
Fadingpain Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Kelly the Dog - His spending money on the Saber's absolutley hasn't translated to winning - though I'm lead to believe from other posters here that the Saber's will begin winning the Cup somewhere around 2017 and not stop until 2050. So call me skeptical, but I just don't see the change in ownership translating into a Super Bowl for the Bills..... Don't judge how much Pegula is willing to spend based on where the Sabres are right now. Also, don't judge how well the Sabres organization is doing based on what's happening right now. The organization has been completely gutted and it is currently being re-built with arguably the best prospects pool in the NHL. We also have THREE first round draft picks this year! We are going to be loaded with talent but it takes time to build talent at the NHL level. It's not like the NFL where you draft top players and they immediately make an impact. In 3 years the Sabres are going to have, in my opinion, their strongest team of all time. Hang in there. I think Pegula will alter the scene at OBD as well in due course. It is going to take some time as well.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) i envy your ability to dismiss the fact that the only unit that Marrone hasn't improved - is the the unit he was hired to improve.. i certainly respect your optimism.. and i think most Bills fans are - at heart - very tolerant, optimistic folks. it's just that some of us are, well, frustrated by what we believe were squandered opportunities this year, and we place the blame for these squandered opportunities on the head coach and OC - the men who failed to develop an offense that could of helped the other two units get more than one game over .500 and get into the tourney. this is our curse - our gut feeling that the same offensive specialists who couldn't get it figured out in 2 years time, are not going to suddenly get it right in 2015.. and being powerless to effect any change that will keep us from another dissappointing year, we default to bitching like schoolgirls about what was wasted and by who.. then we speculate on what these knuckleheads need to succeed - because in our eyes - they already had enough. it's messed up. we're probably more fanatical than Islamic fundamentalists That's the thing.......Marrone got a head coaching job on the strength of being the (non-play calling) OC for Sean Peyton.....a job which he got because of his work as an OL coach....most notably developing a couple nobodies(Brandon Moore and Carl Nicks) into Pro Bowl offensive guards. It's crazy when you actually think how poorly the team has performed in his expertise. That certainly gives him a fraudulent look. Anyone who doubts the impression that stinking at your expertise leaves around the league needs look no further than how many HC job offers Brian Billick gets. Zero. And he has a ring for being a HC. Then you factor in that he inherited extraordinary defensive talent and was able to hire two separate, highly regarded and proven DC's to fill that job.......you have to ask yourself what has he really done for his part? The not knowing what you really have in Marrone is a byproduct of a very casual approach to building his roster in the first two offseasons. People assume because the Bills roster is solid and particularly deep on defense that the personnel department has been doing a good job.......but the guys that built this roster have been doing it for 5 YEARS now and doing so with the benefit of a lot of high draft picks. They had a chance to really give Marrone a huge jump start in the first offseason and they blew it. They let him go thru the season with nothing but rookie QB's. Unconscienable. Then they mostly sat on their hands in free agency in year 2. I am not impressed with Marrone but the organization hasn't done their part to give him what he needs to show if he can be a difference making coach, either. Edited December 30, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ
Augie Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 The organization has been completely gutted and it is currently being re-built with arguably the best prospects pool in the NHL. We also have THREE first round draft picks this year! We are going to be loaded with talent but it takes time to build talent at the NHL level. It's not like the NFL where you draft top players and they immediately make an impact. In 3 years the Sabres are going to have, in my opinion, their strongest team of all time. Hang in there. I think Pegula will alter the scene at OBD as well in due course. It is going to take some time as well. I don't follow the Sabres closely anymore, but this was my understanding as well. I find it to be very encouraging.
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