dubs Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Again, I say ; "This season was a complete waste in terms of playing Orton, missing the playoffs and not getting EJ experience." I don't really agree with this statement. It's pretty easy to say, in retrospect, that playing Orton didn't matter because we missed the playoffs. But in reality, playing EJ might have been worse both in the short-run and the long-run. I think people forget just how raw EJ was/is. While he was drafted in the first round, he was never supposed to start from Day 1. His rookie year was filled with injuries, beginning in the preseason. A raw kid like that could probably benefit from time around a veteran QB, which is why I think him sitting for the rest of the rest of the year and watching a veteran was EJ's best chance to be a better QB in the long-run. That doesn't necessarily mean EJ is going to suddenly be very good next year, but I think he has a better chance now that if he came back in week 12 and finished the season. Either way, both options don't really give EJ much of a chance to be great, but I don't understand how so many people think getting him back out this year would have been better for EJ or the Bills.
Sojourner Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I don't really agree with this statement. It's pretty easy to say, in retrospect, that playing Orton didn't matter because we missed the playoffs. But in reality, playing EJ might have been worse both in the short-run and the long-run. I think people forget just how raw EJ was/is. While he was drafted in the first round, he was never supposed to start from Day 1. His rookie year was filled with injuries, beginning in the preseason. A raw kid like that could probably benefit from time around a veteran QB, which is why I think him sitting for the rest of the rest of the year and watching a veteran was EJ's best chance to be a better QB in the long-run. That doesn't necessarily mean EJ is going to suddenly be very good next year, but I think he has a better chance now that if he came back in week 12 and finished the season. Either way, both options don't really give EJ much of a chance to be great, but I don't understand how so many people think getting him back out this year would have been better for EJ or the Bills. Sensible and considerate of all situational aspects. Good post.
billsfan89 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Franchise QB's don't get traded, they don't hit free agency (Drew Brees was a once in a life time thing), they are very rare to find later in the draft (Tom Brady is once a lifetime lucky find and even a Russell Wilson type is a once a decade type thing). And finding a franchise QB high in the draft is hit or miss. Finding a top QB is hard even finding a good Tony Romo type QB is hard as hell. So unless EJ steps up you are going to be bringing in a reclimation project or a flawed QB like Orton.
Nitro Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Been saying this for a while. There is a real drought of QB talent in the NFL. I agree. Look at the last 10 years in the draft. So many guys drafted and very few success stories. Looking at the potential free agents there is a dearth of talent. Might as well work to make EJ better in that design the offense that is tailored to his strengths. Edited December 29, 2014 by Nitro
Sojourner Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Franchise QB's don't get traded, they don't hit free agency (Drew Brees was a once in a life time thing), they are very rare to find later in the draft (Tom Brady is once a lifetime lucky find and even a Russell Wilson type is a once a decade type thing). And finding a franchise QB high in the draft is hit or miss. Finding a top QB is hard even finding a good Tony Romo type QB is hard as hell. So unless EJ steps up you are going to be bringing in a reclimation project or a flawed QB like Orton. Maybe we can get Douglas to be fired. Get angry and break the arm/s or shoulder/s of an elite QB and acquire them via trade. He'd be sure to be a Saint then!
peterpan Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 No one has mentioned Matt Flynn. He has potential and is a realistic option for game manager- he is also a free agent this year coming year, coming off a 1 yr 1 million dollar contract. (Very affordable ) Yes he was beat out by Russell Wilson, which is not such a negative looking back on it now, then was traded to the raiders (no one really succeeds there) then cut and was here for two weeks while EJ was I jured( we aren't exactly the most brilliant QB evaluating team either) before we cut him and he went back to GB. He has had success in GB. His career passer rating is 86 is limited action. Yes they have a better coach and offensive scheme and yes they have better players, but if that is your reasoning for not brining him in then your problem seams to be with marrone (coaching) and Whaley (roster building) and not with Flynn. GB is a very qb driven offense. Ideally, in buffalo, Flynn would be relied on more like Alex smith than Rodger. Flynn saves us a huge amount for cap space (1 mill a season vrs ortons 5) and that 4 mil could go towards adding two free agent guards like boling and carpenter. T That all said I think adding Flynn is only one piece of the puzzle. I think the tires should be kicked on cousins and I would be willing to give up a third or fourth to give him a shot. It sounds like he or RG3 will be out of Washington and I would be up for RG3 as well if he becomes available via trade. I also think we need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. The bills need to find someone serviceable. We cannot waste this D. Adding only one guy gives us ony one chance. Let's add three or four and give ouraelves three or four chances!
ProcessAccepted Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Sam Bradford, Nick Foles, Mike Glennon. THosse are the only QB's I would bother with. I am not saying there Jim Kelly, but only thing out there. Bradford is good but its hard to overlook the health issues that he's has had since his college days. No one has mentioned Matt Flynn. He has potential and is a realistic option for game manager- he is also a free agent this year coming year, coming off a 1 yr 1 million dollar contract. (Very affordable ) I think that this team needs a more viable option than Matt Flynn. I don't see him as a true starter over a season. You may get some good games out of him but you'll get some real bad ones too. I'd rather see a Hoyer come in as at least the film on him is current. Franchise QB's don't get traded, they don't hit free agency (Drew Brees was a once in a life time thing), they are very rare to find later in the draft (Tom Brady is once a lifetime lucky find and even a Russell Wilson type is a once a decade type thing). And finding a franchise QB high in the draft is hit or miss. Finding a top QB is hard even finding a good Tony Romo type QB is hard as hell. So unless EJ steps up you are going to be bringing in a reclimation project or a flawed QB like Orton. There are some very good guys passed around. Garcia, Gannon etc come to mind. There's been several HOF'ers like Montana, Young and Moon. It happens, the key is to get the most out of the thread that's left on the tires. Edited December 29, 2014 by Catch it Sammy
RyanC883 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I dare you to mention one descent QB who is currently a UFA. I know someone mentioned Sanchez in another post. We have him, younger and cheaper = EJ. The fact is, there are no QBs available, coming available or draft able that are worth giving up picks for. Again, I say ; "This season was a complete waste in terms of playing Orton, missing the playoffs and not getting EJ experience." The only two QBs I would like to see them bring in, CHEAP, are Mallett or Matt Moore. I'm not singing their praises but they are the best/most intriguing of a piss poor lot. I see training camp opening next year with a new OC and Ej in a battle with someone. Who that someone is remains to be seen. If Hackett remains, it won't matter who is under center. I don't recall EJ going to two AFC Championship games? No one has mentioned Matt Flynn. He has potential and is a realistic option for game manager- he is also a free agent this year coming year, coming off a 1 yr 1 million dollar contract. (Very affordable ) Yes he was beat out by Russell Wilson, which is not such a negative looking back on it now, then was traded to the raiders (no one really succeeds there) then cut and was here for two weeks while EJ was I jured( we aren't exactly the most brilliant QB evaluating team either) before we cut him and he went back to GB. He has had success in GB. His career passer rating is 86 is limited action. Yes they have a better coach and offensive scheme and yes they have better players, but if that is your reasoning for not brining him in then your problem seams to be with marrone (coaching) and Whaley (roster building) and not with Flynn. GB is a very qb driven offense. Ideally, in buffalo, Flynn would be relied on more like Alex smith than Rodger. Flynn saves us a huge amount for cap space (1 mill a season vrs ortons 5) and that 4 mil could go towards adding two free agent guards like boling and carpenter. T That all said I think adding Flynn is only one piece of the puzzle. I think the tires should be kicked on cousins and I would be willing to give up a third or fourth to give him a shot. It sounds like he or RG3 will be out of Washington and I would be up for RG3 as well if he becomes available via trade. I also think we need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. The bills need to find someone serviceable. We cannot waste this D. Adding only one guy gives us ony one chance. Let's add three or four and give ouraelves three or four chances! This is the best QB plan I have seen. Everyone slams this or that QB. The truth is there is no sure-fire QB available. Matt Flynn would be an upgrade, and going after Cousins, etc. gives the Bills more options. The more options, the more chance for success.
CodeMonkey Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I don't recall EJ going to two AFC Championship games? You never know, he could have scalped tickets and gone
Solomon Grundy Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 most all are better than EJ And EJ will never amount to anything. So options are this, do the trade for Cutler or Bradford (both >>>>>>>>than EJ will ever be) or find a way to get one in the draft. What has Cutler or Bradford done in the league that makes you want to bring them in to QB the Bills?
....lybob Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I'd understand the anti-EJ fans if EJ was a loose cannon partying every night or if EJ was a fat slob who refused to exercise and eat right or if EJ was a locker-room cancer, or if he was lackadaisical in his film work and other preparation, or if EJ was a physical coward who wouldn't take a hit for the team but unless they are all lying he is none of those things. So why can't EJ who physically is just slightly below Cam Newton and unless everyone is lying is doing all the right things to get better, get better?
Solomon Grundy Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 No one has mentioned Matt Flynn. He has potential and is a realistic option for game manager- he is also a free agent this year coming year, coming off a 1 yr 1 million dollar contract. (Very affordable ) Yes he was beat out by Russell Wilson, which is not such a negative looking back on it now, then was traded to the raiders (no one really succeeds there) then cut and was here for two weeks while EJ was I jured( we aren't exactly the most brilliant QB evaluating team either) before we cut him and he went back to GB. He has had success in GB. His career passer rating is 86 is limited action. Yes they have a better coach and offensive scheme and yes they have better players, but if that is your reasoning for not brining him in then your problem seams to be with marrone (coaching) and Whaley (roster building) and not with Flynn. GB is a very qb driven offense. Ideally, in buffalo, Flynn would be relied on more like Alex smith than Rodger. Flynn saves us a huge amount for cap space (1 mill a season vrs ortons 5) and that 4 mil could go towards adding two free agent guards like boling and carpenter. T That all said I think adding Flynn is only one piece of the puzzle. I think the tires should be kicked on cousins and I would be willing to give up a third or fourth to give him a shot. It sounds like he or RG3 will be out of Washington and I would be up for RG3 as well if he becomes available via trade. I also think we need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. The bills need to find someone serviceable. We cannot waste this D. Adding only one guy gives us ony one chance. Let's add three or four and give ouraelves three or four chances! The Bills had Matt Flynn as an option at QB and let him go, remembers?
RyanC883 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I'd understand the anti-EJ fans if EJ was a loose cannon partying every night or if EJ was a fat slob who refused to exercise and eat right or if EJ was a locker-room cancer, or if he was lackadaisical in his film work and other preparation, or if EJ was a physical coward who wouldn't take a hit for the team but unless they are all lying he is none of those things. So why can't EJ who physically is just slightly below Cam Newton and unless everyone is lying is doing all the right things to get better, get better? I agree with this to a point. I'm not anti-EJ, I'm not sold on EJ. The Bills need to bring in 2-3 FA QB's to compete with EJ. EJ could turn out to be great. or could continue to be the guy we saw early on this season.
BuffaloPride Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Cousins never got a fair shot in Washington. He wouldn't cost much, maybe a 4th round pick. Bring him in and let him compete for the starting job. What have we got to lose?
RyanC883 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I agree. Look at the last 10 years in the draft. So many guys drafted and very few success stories. Looking at the potential free agents there is a dearth of talent. Might as well work to make EJ better in that design the offense that is tailored to his strengths. more options=more chance of success. Don't want a situation where everything hinges on EJ playing well, which he has not done so far.
CodeMonkey Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 The Bills were REALLY lucky this year. They had put all of their eggs in the EJ basket, but after camp realized how much he had regressed. They were lucky they got Orton off of the couch and that he did as well as he did. Hell, maybe Favre wants to get off the couch for a while?
bigK14094 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) No one has mentioned Matt Flynn. He has potential and is a realistic option for game manager- he is also a free agent this year coming year, coming off a 1 yr 1 million dollar contract. (Very affordable ) Yes he was beat out by Russell Wilson, which is not such a negative looking back on it now, then was traded to the raiders (no one really succeeds there) then cut and was here for two weeks while EJ was I jured( we aren't exactly the most brilliant QB evaluating team either) before we cut him and he went back to GB. He has had success in GB. His career passer rating is 86 is limited action. Yes they have a better coach and offensive scheme and yes they have better players, but if that is your reasoning for not brining him in then your problem seams to be with marrone (coaching) and Whaley (roster building) and not with Flynn. GB is a very qb driven offense. Ideally, in buffalo, Flynn would be relied on more like Alex smith than Rodger. Flynn saves us a huge amount for cap space (1 mill a season vrs ortons 5) and that 4 mil could go towards adding two free agent guards like boling and carpenter. T That all said I think adding Flynn is only one piece of the puzzle. I think the tires should be kicked on cousins and I would be willing to give up a third or fourth to give him a shot. It sounds like he or RG3 will be out of Washington and I would be up for RG3 as well if he becomes available via trade. I also think we need to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. The bills need to find someone serviceable. We cannot waste this D. Adding only one guy gives us ony one chance. Let's add three or four and give ouraelves three or four chances! Wasn't Flynn here last year for three cups of coffee and then cut. If the Bills thought he was the answer, he would not have been back in Green Bay at all. I am in the Cousins camp.....get him if you can...... Edited December 29, 2014 by bigK14094
enlightener Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 im saying it now....Cutluhh! id be so jacked if we had a guy that can throw like him. at least we can get to the playoffs til we groom our own guy....hes this centuries jeff george, and ill take him!
John from Riverside Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 The Bills were REALLY lucky this year. They had put all of their eggs in the EJ basket, but after camp realized how much he had regressed. They were lucky they got Orton off of the couch and that he did as well as he did. Hell, maybe Favre wants to get off the couch for a while? Or maybe the bills get wise and dont go into the season with nothing but inexperienced QBs? Maybe they learn their lesson and bring in a veteran guy?
Best Player Available Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Cousins never got a fair shot in Washington. He wouldn't cost much, maybe a 4th round pick. Bring him in and let him compete for the starting job. What have we got to lose? Well for starters do we have a 4th round pick?
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