Jmsbills Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Unfortunately we still have no real idea on EJ. You can say he will never make it and that may be the case. Looking back at it here are the facts : EJ did not have full rookie preseason due to injury. He did not have a full rookie season due to injury. He only had four starts in year two. Now we go into season three for EJ and not sure of anything. Where do we go? The free agent prospects our there are not good. The trade options - who know if anyone will be available. Does anyone on the coaching staff have any confidence in EJ? If so, then why did they not give him an opportunity after the back to back losses. If EJ does not work out, we are in for a long year next season of Orton/Fitz backup type QB's running the offense. Let Hope for EJ - it may be our best and only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Not while still in the playoff hunt and I am probably as big of an EJ fan as anyone on this board next to biscuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) No. And I am one of his supporters! Edited December 29, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Not while still in the playoff hunt and I am probably as big of an EJ fan as anyone on this board next to biscuit. No. And I am one of his supporters! Agreed here. He needed an entire season to watch and learn. I thought we might see him again, but get why they didnt throw him back into the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Not while still in the playoff hunt and I am probably as big of an EJ fan as anyone on this board next to biscuit. I was certainly quietly saying this though, when it happened. Those were crushing defeats. The playoffs seemed unlikely at that point, and we had the Jets up next with an opportunity to get an "easy' win. It would have been a great opportunity to see what you have there in EJ. Orton did not trend upwards after the bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I was certainly quietly saying this though, when it happened. Those were crushing defeats. The playoffs seemed unlikely at that point, and we had the Jets up next with an opportunity to get an "easy' win. It would have been a great opportunity to see what you have there in EJ. Orton did not trend upwards after the bye. If it is an easy win, and it definitely was, then how would that give you any indication of what you truly had in EJ? Playing him against what was effectively a high school team, and/or against the Pats backups, doesnt tell us anything. Edited December 29, 2014 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 If it is an easy win, and it definitely was, then how would that give you any indication of what you truly had in EJ? Playing him against what was effectively a high school team, and/or against the Pats backups, doesnt tell us anything. Because that win basically inflated Orton. If EJ's biggest issue was confidence, this would have the perfect time to do it. Either way, it's an irrelevant argument since we didn't do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Unfortunately we still have no real idea on EJ. You can say he will never make it and that may be the case. Looking back at it here are the facts : EJ did not have full rookie preseason due to injury. He did not have a full rookie season due to injury. He only had four starts in year two. Now we go into season three for EJ and not sure of anything. Where do we go? The free agent prospects our there are not good. The trade options - who know if anyone will be available. Does anyone on the coaching staff have any confidence in EJ? If so, then why did they not give him an opportunity after the back to back losses. If EJ does not work out, we are in for a long year next season of Orton/Fitz backup type QB's running the offense. Let Hope for EJ - it may be our best and only hope. You may have no idea. But am pretty sure the coaches did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I was certainly quietly saying this though, when it happened. Those were crushing defeats. The playoffs seemed unlikely at that point, and we had the Jets up next with an opportunity to get an "easy' win. It would have been a great opportunity to see what you have there in EJ. Orton did not trend upwards after the bye. They were crushing defeats for the fans who thought same old Buffalo Bills. The team on the other hand went out and thumped NYJ and then played great against DEN and GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You may have no idea. But am pretty sure the coaches did I wouldn't trust the "judgement" of this offensive coaching staff at all. The Bills might as well have gone over to the Target down the street, asked for volunteers, and let them install the offensive game plan. Marrone's o-staff sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Because that win basically inflated Orton. If EJ's biggest issue was confidence, this would have the perfect time to do it. Either way, it's an irrelevant argument since we didn't do this. His biggest problem isnt confidence. Its footwork and accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There are lots of QBs all over college football and the nfl who were never given 20+starts to prove they were not nfl caliber starters. What I am saying is, there are ways to determine who is worth the effort and who is not. EJ is not worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Kyle Orton went 7-5 without a running attack and without time to throw. Orton wasn't great but he was better than what we saw in EJ earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There are lots of QBs all over college football and the nfl who were never given 20+starts to prove they were not nfl caliber starters. What I am saying is, there are ways to determine who is worth the effort and who is not. EJ is not worth the effort. 20+ games??? He's at 15 starts. He hasnt even had 1 full season of starting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There are lots of QBs all over college football and the nfl who were never given 20+starts to prove they were not nfl caliber starters. What I am saying is, there are ways to determine who is worth the effort and who is not. EJ is not worth the effort. How many are 1st round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Unfortunately we still have no real idea on EJ. You can say he will never make it and that may be the case. Looking back at it here are the facts : EJ did not have full rookie preseason due to injury. He did not have a full rookie season due to injury. He only had four starts in year two. Now we go into season three for EJ and not sure of anything. Where do we go? The free agent prospects our there are not good. The trade options - who know if anyone will be available. Does anyone on the coaching staff have any confidence in EJ? If so, then why did they not give him an opportunity after the back to back losses. If EJ does not work out, we are in for a long year next season of Orton/Fitz backup type QB's running the offense. Let Hope for EJ - it may be our best and only hope. So EJ plays and puts up numbers similar to Geno Smith yesterday, what does that tell us? We'll go into next season with Tuel as the backup and EJ as the starter, we are all set at QB? No concerns regarding EJ what so ever, he looked really good in that one game. Geno Smith posted a perfect QB rating in a meaningless game, so the Jets are all set at QB as well? I don't know why I even comment on crap like this, common sense just doesn't cut it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 So EJ plays and puts up numbers similar to Geno Smith yesterday, what does that tell us? We'll go into next season with Tuel as the backup and EJ as the starter, we are all set at QB? No concerns regarding EJ what so ever, he looked really good in that one game. Geno Smith posted a perfect QB rating in a meaningless game, so the Jets are all set at QB as well? I don't know why I even comment on crap like this, common sense just doesn't cut it... It's maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 So EJ plays and puts up numbers similar to Geno Smith yesterday, what does that tell us? We'll go into next season with Tuel as the backup and EJ as the starter, we are all set at QB? No concerns regarding EJ what so ever, he looked really good in that one game. Geno Smith posted a perfect QB rating in a meaningless game, so the Jets are all set at QB as well? I don't know why I even comment on crap like this, common sense just doesn't cut it... To be fair, Geno has played a lot, lot worse than EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 To be fair, Geno has played a lot, lot worse than EJ. Exactly my point! His last meaningless game was pretty much awesome, the only perfect QB rating this season. But he still sucks and a meaningless game proves absolutely nothing. I am hoping EJ comes back strong next season, but playing this last game would have done him no favors and just didn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Exactly my point! His last meaningless game was pretty much awesome, the only perfect QB rating this season. But he still sucks and a meaningless game proves absolutely nothing. I am hoping EJ comes back strong next season, but playing this last game would have done him no favors and just didn't matter. I am with you. I feel like the tone of the thread is having EJ hop in to action following the KC and MIA games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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