negativo Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 If Bill Polian comes aboard it will most likely be in a VP of Football Operations capacity, or possibly a consultant role, with his son Chris as GM. Russ Brandon would be moved completely out of football related duties and relegated to the business side of operations where he belongs. The Polians were very successful together in both Indy and Carolina, and in his brief time as GM in Jacksonville Chris got it right choosing Bortles with the #3 pick. Where Whaley is clearly in over his head as an NFL GM, the Polian's are savvy, experienced, have a staff of quality scouts at the ready, and are fully involved with the evaluation of this year's draft crop. Pug. And. Play.
jahbonas Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I think all the "Lifers" who have been the brain trust of the organization the last 30 years will all be gone....they have over seen the 15 yrs of no playoffs and also saw the dismissal of Polian and Butler... Gone - Littman, Overdorf, Brandon - thats where the real 'clean house' will occur
thebandit27 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 If Bill Polian comes aboard it will most likely be in a VP of Football Operations capacity, or possibly a consultant role, with his son Chris as GM. Russ Brandon would be moved completely out of football related duties and relegated to the business side of operations where he belongs. The Polians were very successful together in both Indy and Carolina, and in his brief time as GM in Jacksonville Chris got it right choosing Bortles with the #3 pick. Chris Polian is Director of Pro Personnel In Jacksonville, which means he is responsible for players already in the NFL, not drafting or college scouting. So even if you want to anoint the Bortles pick as "getting it right", despite his 3-11 record as a starter and largely underwhelming stat lines, he gets no credit for it. Instead, look at FA acquisitions if you want to see what he's done. Also, he allowed the Indy roster to flag once he was given the GM post. Where Whaley is clearly in over his head as an NFL GM, the Polian's are savvy, experienced, have a staff of quality scouts at the ready, and are fully involved with the evaluation of this year's draft crop. Pug. And. Play. Exactly how is Whaley over his head?
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Polian is at the airport with Cowher and Seiffert
jahbonas Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 It would be a crime to replace Whaley with an unproven Chris Polian, I'd also like to see Whaley and his scouts do their job with an expanded scouting budget which I'm sure Pegula will do.
RyanC883 Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 I love Polian. Genius almost. But I really love Whaley too. The next generation Polian maybe. I'm all for Polian coming, as long as Whaley remains GM. Whaley has a plan. He has built a strong, hungry, young team. He has no QB, but I dont think Polian can come here and magically find one either. Come to think of it, since I love Whaley so much, I'm actually NOT on board with Polian coming in. Your time came and you did well, but your time was long ago. Stop trying so hard to prop up your son. He will sink or swim on his own merit. In today's NFL, Whaley has shown that he has it. Chris Polian, notsomuch. Polian's Indy team fell apart like a cheap toy after Manning left. The guy is much loved for the Bills Super Bowl years, but that was OVER twenty years ago. The game, FA, draft, etc. are much different now.
BrooklynBills Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 If Bill Polian comes aboard it will most likely be in a VP of Football Operations capacity, or possibly a consultant role, with his son Chris as GM. Russ Brandon would be moved completely out of football related duties and relegated to the business side of operations where he belongs. The Polians were very successful together in both Indy and Carolina, and in his brief time as GM in Jacksonville Chris got it right choosing Bortles with the #3 pick. Where Whaley is clearly in over his head as an NFL GM, the Polian's are savvy, experienced, have a staff of quality scouts at the ready, and are fully involved with the evaluation of this year's draft crop. Pug. And. Play. Lots of incorrect stuff in here.
Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Lots of incorrect stuff in here. It's his specialty.
ProcessAccepted Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 It is disturbing to me as a Bills fan that a vocal portion of the fan base are supportive of shakeups and house clearing after our first winning season in 1.5 decades. I just listened to the press conference on WGR and the comments afterwards were that this team was at least 50% better than last years team, BUT they don't like Marrone coz is not good with words. Personally I could not care how entertaining the press conferences are as I only care about the games. I loved that we got a lot tougher this year (without getting dirty like Detroit) and took games to people on a physical level. This team under Whaley and Marrone will continue to improve. I cannot wait to see what they do at QB and OL. I enjoyed this season like I have not enjoy others in recent years. Why is there even conversation about blowing this up the day after our first ever win in Foxboro. Wait till next year when the experts are picking winners and losers before the season. Those games against Buffalo wont be gimmes any longer.
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 It is disturbing to me as a Bills fan that a vocal portion of the fan base are supportive of shakeups and house clearing after our first winning season in 1.5 decades. I just listened to the press conference on WGR and the comments afterwards were that this team was at least 50% better than last years team, BUT they don't like Marrone coz is not good with words. Personally I could not care how entertaining the press conferences are as I only care about the games. I loved that we got a lot tougher this year (without getting dirty like Detroit) and took games to people on a physical level. This team under Whaley and Marrone will continue to improve. I cannot wait to see what they do at QB and OL. I enjoyed this season like I have not enjoy others in recent years. Why is there even conversation about blowing this up the day after our first ever win in Foxboro. Wait till next year when the experts are picking winners and losers before the season. Those games against Buffalo wont be gimmes any longer. We don't have the brightest fanbase
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 We don't have the brightest fanbase Whoa. Blast from the past, where have you been hiding? lol
Lurker Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 We don't have the brightest fanbase This quote should be added to the logo at the top of the page....
Adam Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Whoa. Blast from the past, where have you been hiding? lol Been crazy busy! Enjoyed the winning season though. How have you been?
dave mcbride Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Chris Polian is nothing. Just another case of nepotism in a league with too much of it already. I mean, it appears as if he parlayed his Buffalo high school connection with Jax GM Dave Caldwell to get the Jax job in the first place. He was hired on May 2, 2013. Here are Jax's transactions in 2014. A whole lotta nothing, as far as I can tell. Look at the March transactions. They signed a bunch of nobodies outside of Chris Clemons (8 sacks), which was down from his best years with the Seahawks. Most importantly, they cut Justin Forsett in March. Jason Babin voided his contract and went to the Jets. They signed Clay Harbor, who had 26 catches as a tight end. Neither Cameron Bradfield nor Sam Young, their 2 o-line FA signings in March, started for the team. http://espn.go.com/n...onville-jaguars Jax is awful. Probably the worst offense in the league (32nd in points; 31st in yards; 32nd in points per drive) and a terrible defense (26th in both points and yards allowed). Anyway, a classic case of failing upwards. Edited December 29, 2014 by dave mcbride
Heitz Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Polian is so old and inept, he doesn't event know it's Monday and he's supposed to already be working for the Bills! Or maybe he's just waiting until after 4:20pm EST to sign (gotta get his head clear)... Way to fail Russ!
Kirby Jackson Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Whaley has been better than Chris Polian by pretty much any measure. It doesn't mean that he is perfect but the grass isn't always greener....
dave mcbride Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Whaley has been better than Chris Polian by pretty much any measure. It doesn't mean that he is perfect but the grass isn't always greener.... Absolutely. It would piss me off if they dumped Whaley for Polian.
negativo Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Chris Polian is Director of Pro Personnel In Jacksonville, which means he is responsible for players already in the NFL, not drafting or college scouting. So even if you want to anoint the Bortles pick as "getting it right", despite his 3-11 record as a starter and largely underwhelming stat lines, he gets no credit for it. Actually, the Director Of Pro Personnel is responsible for heading the scouting personnel for both the college draft and pro talent evaluation. Please explain the following in detail. Why do you believe the position as Chris Polian served is different than how it's outlined for every other Director of Pro Personnel as identified by the NFL? While Bortles did have some struggles as a rookie, virtually everyone believes he upgraded the position for the Jags when installed as starter. Most agree he showed enough athleticism, leadership and toughness to earn his job as starter and position taken in the draft. Please defend your position against this consensus, and provide specific examples of other insiders who share your opinion. Also, he allowed the Indy roster to flag once he was given the GM post. So, you conveniently chose to ignore his long history of successes with Indianapolis to focus on the season that fell apart without Manning? Guess that means you believe Bill Polian is also an abject failure since he was his boss at the time. Please clarify the following. Provide a detailed explanation of why you apparently believe Bill Polian doesn't deserve credit for the success of the Colts franchise, and why he is not worthy of being a to be a hall of famer. Provide credible evidence of your inferred claim that Chris Polian was not responsible for the success of helping build the Colts, and before that the Panthers, to prominence in the NFL. Give sourced evidence to defend how you apparently believe Whaley would have done a better than the Polians if placed in the same capacity when nobody else in the football world would ever make such a ridiculous argument. Exactly how is Whaley over his head? It is widely believed in football circles that Whaley has made very expensive mistakes at the top of the draft, and his FA success has been mixed at best. Against all conventional wisdom, Whaley kept CJ Spiller on the roster when the team had a window to trade him for some value. He also bungled the QB position two years in a row, first signing damaged goods QB Kevin Kolb without doing proper due dilligence, and then left the position in chaos thispreseason, waiting until the week of the regular season opener to overpay for journeyman Kyle Orton, who eventually took over and did a sub-par job in relief of his top pick bust EJ Manuel. These are only some of the reasons he is widely regarded to be in over his head. You apparently have the contrarian opinion, therefore please explain beyond reasonable doubt why your minority opinion has merit.
Lurker Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Whaley has been better than Chris Polian by pretty much any measure. It doesn't mean that he is perfect but the grass isn't always greener.... Whaley's experience has been in pro player evalualion and that really showed with his pickups this year. IMO, he's still learning the college talent evaluation side and has had a few misses to go with the hits. Still, I agree, he's shown much, much more than Chris Polian and it would be a mistake to go that direction...
dave mcbride Posted December 29, 2014 Posted December 29, 2014 Actually, the Director Of Pro Personnel is responsible for heading the scouting personnel for both the college draft and pro talent evaluation. Please explain the following in detail. This is not true. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Who-is-the-Pro-Personnel-Director.html http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2013-06-22/story/fresh-start-jaguars-chris-polian There is a position called Director of Player Personnel, which might be what you're thinking of. That is not Polian's position. Dave Caldwell is the GM in Jax and has the power.
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