hondo in seattle Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) OK, which Bills coach of the past 12 years was run out of town too soon and was on the brink of success here? Which ones have succeeded elsewhere after being sacked by the Bills? Same question regarding GMs. DJ was an OC short of having a good coaching staff. Chan was a DC short. Neither had a lot of player talent and may have won with more time and a better FO. What makes Marrone interesting is that his biggest struggles are in his area of expertise. Edited December 26, 2014 by hondo in seattle
1billsfan Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 DJ was an OC short of having a good coaching staff. Chan was a DC short. Neither had a lot of player talent and may have won with more time and a better FO. What makes Marrone interesting is that his biggest struggles are in his area of expertise. I don't buy this line of thought at all. Jauron and Gailey were simply not authentic head coaches. They were coordinators who got the job because they were the "last stop" choices. Take the Vikings as an example. They had Leslie Frazier and before that Brad Childress. Two coordinators who were not authentic head coaching material. They now have Mike Zimmer who looks very much like an authentic head coach who will be there 10 years. The Bills have a head coach who was never even a successful NFL coordinator. He's clearly not the answer. They need to find that authentic 10 year head coach and there's no sense in waiting a year on a head coach who literally has had no success on offense which is the very problem of the Buffalo Bills.
dave mcbride Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 Addendum: Fitz threw 71 touchdown passes in three seasons starting for the Bills. When he left and everybody was cheering, the first thing I thought was, who the devil on this team is going to throw 23-24 touchdown passes next season? Yes, he threw interceptions, but under Gailey the Bills' offense had a pulse. Under Marone, with better personnel, they are beyond pathetic. Bills QBs have thrown 22 td passes this year and there is one game to go.
Bangarang Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 Marrone is a fraud. His talent evaluations and game management are suspect at best. He loves to punt and runs his offense super conservatively. He's been riding the coat tails of good to great defenses for 2 years now.
Maury Ballstein Posted December 26, 2014 Posted December 26, 2014 Marrone is a fraud. His talent evaluations and game management are suspect at best. He loves to punt and runs his offense super conservatively. He's been riding the coat tails of good to great defenses for 2 years now. Agree.
hondo in seattle Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) I don't buy this line of thought at all. Jauron and Gailey were simply not authentic head coaches. They were coordinators who got the job because they were the "last stop" choices. Take the Vikings as an example. They had Leslie Frazier and before that Brad Childress. Two coordinators who were not authentic head coaching material. They now have Mike Zimmer who looks very much like an authentic head coach who will be there 10 years. The Bills have a head coach who was never even a successful NFL coordinator. He's clearly not the answer. They need to find that authentic 10 year head coach and there's no sense in waiting a year on a head coach who literally has had no success on offense which is the very problem of the Buffalo Bills. What's an "authentic" head coach? Apparently the Browns didn't think Belicheck was an "authentic" head coach and was instead just a coordinator who, as per the Peter Principle, was promoted to the level of his incompetence. Our friends in Boston might have a different opinion. Apparently neither the Pats nor the Jets considered Pete Carroll an "authentic" head coach. Here in Seattle, fans would disagree. Sometimes coaches need time to grow into their roles and fully implement their systems. John Wooden, to offer up a b-ball example, needed 16 years to perfect his approach to coaching before winning his first national championship. But then he won 10 championships in 12 years. Sometimes coaches need better talent suiting up. Oftentimes, owners, GMs and fans are too impatient with their HCs. Edited December 27, 2014 by hondo in seattle
1billsfan Posted December 27, 2014 Posted December 27, 2014 What's an "authentic" head coach? Apparently the Browns didn't think Belicheck was an "authentic" head coach and was instead just a coordinator who, as per the Peter Principle, was promoted to the level of his incompetence. Our friends in Boston might have a different opinion. Apparently neither the Pats nor the Jets considered Pete Carroll an "authentic" head coach. Here in Seattle, fans would disagree. Sometimes coaches need time to grow into their roles and fully implement their systems. John Wooden, to offer up a b-ball example, needed 16 years to perfect his approach to coaching before winning his first national championship. But then he won 10 championships in 12 years. Sometimes coaches need better talent suiting up. Oftentimes, owners, GMs and fans are too impatient with their HCs. Jauron and Gailey were both given second chances to prove they were authentic head coaches and failed. You need to inspire players to play for you at their top level and neither one could do that. You can shoot back that they didn't have Brady or Wilson, and I'll say that any NFL team that had a franchise QB like those two with Jauron or Gailey as their HC would have fired them eventually because they wouldn't have performed up to the level of the QB. Marrone is a lot like Jauron in that he coaches as if he's scared to lose. I remember the last Pats game yelling at the TV why aren't they challenging Revis with Watkins. That was pathetic.
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