ricojes Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) I feel like we're not really disagreeing with each other...at all. I am just as frustrated as everyone else here and get it, trust me, I get it. All I am saying is that particular play was no indication of poor play by Orton, but is squarely on Nathaniel "don't call my son Nate" Hackett! Watching a poorly designed and executed offense is even more frustrating when the D is playing poorly. I hope Terry and Kim are as frustrated by that p!ss poor offensive display as the rest of us. I don't think Marrone will be fired, I hope I am wrong though. But Hackett needs to go and if Marrone goes the Malarky route, so be it, good riddance. We are not the only people who think that Hackett doesn't know what he is doing. The sequence of plays on this drive caught the attention of Gregg Easterbrook who details them in the"sour plays of the week" in his TMQ column on ESPN.com. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/TMQWeekSixtenn141223/nfl-team-loser-move-fans-tuesday-morning-quarterback I really thought they were going to break one of the those 1 yard passes...damn, so close...[/sarcasm] Edited December 23, 2014 by ricojes
fridge Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 I am just as frustrated as everyone else here and get it, trust me, I get it. All I am saying is that particular play was no indication of poor play by Orton, but is squarely on Nathaniel "don't call my son Nate" Hackett! Watching a poorly designed and executed offense is even more frustrating when the D is playing poorly. I hope Terry and Kim are as frustrated by that p!ss poor offensive display as the rest of us. I don't think Marrone will be fired. But Hackett needs to go and if Marrone goes the Malarky route, so be it, good riddance. I really thought they were going to break one of the those 1 yard passes...damn, so close...[/sarcasm] Can't disagree with any of this. It's a real shame that we have had to watch this offense fail on so many occasions. It's mostly a manner of out thinking themselves, which will always be the most frustrating degree of failure. This 3rd and 1 is not complicated. Against the Raiders, it's even less complicated.
1B4IDie Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) The problem is that there are less than 32 Human Beings that are capable of playing QB well in the NFL. I didn't appreciate Jim Kelly in my youth. If the Bills ever find one of these Human Beings maybe we'll have a chance again. Edited December 23, 2014 by Why So Serious?
Fan in Chicago Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Didn't I already point out all this ****? Yea, but its easier to understand when DC Tom says it
GG Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Can't disagree with any of this. It's a real shame that we have had to watch this offense fail on so many occasions. It's mostly a manner of out thinking themselves, which will always be the most frustrating degree of failure. This 3rd and 1 is not complicated. Against the Raiders, it's even less complicated. I was afraid to watch this play in All-22. I wasn't wrong. It was scary.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Sometimes on 3rd and 1 it makes more sense to just say we are going to run TWICE if we need too. Not a complicated procedure but effective. If you can't make a yard on 2 successive runs when you need to...well you don't deserve to win.
The Wiz Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Can't disagree with any of this. It's a real shame that we have had to watch this offense fail on so many occasions. It's mostly a manner of out thinking themselves, which will always be the most frustrating degree of failure. This 3rd and 1 is not complicated. Against the Raiders, it's even less complicated. There were a few games were they were passing on 3rd and 1 instead of running the ball up the middle or off-tackle. Although if they did run the ball I'm sure it would have been a draw to Spiller from shotgun.
NoSaint Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 We are not the only people who think that Hackett doesn't know what he is doing. The sequence of plays on this drive caught the attention of Gregg Easterbrook who details them in the"sour plays of the week" in his TMQ column on ESPN.com. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/TMQWeekSixtenn141223/nfl-team-loser-move-fans-tuesday-morning-quarterback yup..... but doug wouldnt want to take the game out of his players hands
White Linen Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Show me the passing lanes to ANY of those open receivers. (Not that he had one to...whoever that is at the top of the pic, I can't tell.) I never thought Orton was any good, but it's the line that's the real problem. And if he'd passed it to the wide-open Lee, you'd just be bitching about him dumping it off. Not when it's first and ten
fridge Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 GE makes a few good points there. He's also brutally honest, and actually disgraces Hackett worse than most here. Now it's third-and-1 at midfield. No high school coach -- no middle-school coach -- would call yet another short pass. Short pass to a receiver who was behind the line of scrimmage, swatted down by a linebacker.
ricojes Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 The problem is that there are less than 32 Human Beings that are capable of playing QB well in the NFL. I didn't appreciate Jim Kelly in my youth. If the Bills ever find one of these Human Beings maybe we'll have a chance again. Only been about 18 years since Kelly retired...It really is sad!
Koufax Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 I'm no Orton fan, but I don't think photos like this prove much. At the moment when it is taken, Orton is fully locked on to the receiver and is in the process of delivering the ball. The other defenders no longer have any reason to stick to their receivers so it's not surprising that they are "college open". You would have to see it in real time to draw any conclusions. I agree with this. Clearly it seems like the incorrect predictive decision, but we don't see the positioning at the time of the decision. I think Orton tends to decide early, and when he doesn't he tends to fold in the pocket feeling the pressure even before it happens. A couple more observations on this include: -The check down receiver in the flat would probably be stopped for no gain by the time the ball got to him, and as he is going backwards, he would be closer to the pick six defender at the time of the decision and going from past the far hash back across his body, that probably wasn't the right decision. -The two open receivers look like they were likely not yet open at the time of the decision, so it is an anticipation thing rather than just a seeing the field thing. -The Raiders are brining five so definitely a pretty hot read. -At the time of the decision, he might have seen the deep safety still on the Raider's logo and much less likely to get to the route he threw then get to the receiver very open in this image but who is running straight towards the logo.
H2o Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Tired of seeing screen grabs like this one: Wow. Either guy coming across the middle possibly gets you a TD. Need a QB with who can read a defense and possesses field vision. EJ seems to lack it as well.
GG Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Wow. Either guy coming across the middle possibly gets you a TD. Need a QB with who can read a defense and possesses field vision. EJ seems to lack it as well. Please read the entire thread.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 What's also worth a thousand words, and actually a lot fewer, is why Orton has been on six or seven teams. What's also worth a thousand words, and actually a lot fewer, is why Orton has been on six or seven teams.
H2o Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Please read the entire thread. Don't have that much time my friend. Hope you understand.
Coach Tuesday Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) So, perfect storm of inept interior line play, skittish QB'ing, slopping route-running, poor play design, and a Giant Blowhard Pussycat? Did I get it all? Edited December 23, 2014 by Coach Tuesday
GG Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Don't have that much time my friend. Hope you understand. Short version. Pic is bad, but not as bad as it seems from that one screenshot.
Coach Tuesday Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Someone please post the vid of Urbik face-planting on the screen pass? It was so priceless...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 There were a few games were they were passing on 3rd and 1 instead of running the ball up the middle or off-tackle. Although if they did run the ball I'm sure it would have been a draw to Spiller from shotgun. I didn't get why spiller was in there either. He isn't anywhere close to Fred as a pass blocker he doesn't break tackles like Fred or boobie. Wtf were Marrone/Hackett thinking?
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