IndyJay1234 Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Chan was being a class act. Walking away without taking shots at a team that was still paying him. I know this is difficult for this board to understand but it's called not being 15.
silvermike Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Broadly speaking, I would say the candidates are: 1.) Coaches (likely to be) fired after this season with offensive experience: a.) Tony Sparano (HC-Raiders) b.) Marc Trestman (HC-Bears) 2.) OCs working for coaches (likely to be) fired after this season: a.) Marty Mohrninweg (OC-Jets) b.) Greg Olson (OC-Raiders) c.) Ben McAdoo (OC-Giants) d.) Aaron Kromer (OC-Bears) Note - worked with Marrone in NO. e.) Dirk Koetter (OC-Falcons) f.) Greg Roman (OC-49ers) 3.) Offensive Coaches fired after last season not working as OCs: a.) Rob Chudzinski (Former HC-Browns, now "Special Assistant" in Indy. b.) Mike Munchak (Former HC-Titans, now OL coach in Pittsburgh, never been an OC)
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 just curious as to why a run first coach would be risky. IMO teams now are built to stop the pass and rush the passer I think a strong running team would do well against this type of defense. A strong running team would keep the time of possession in our favor the opposing qb off the field and our defense well rested. it is much easier to build a strong o-line and find a good running back than it is finding a quarterback. it also takes the pressure off of a young QB. We are built to be a running team with our strong defense. if we had a decent run game and not throw the ball 40+ times a game we would be in the playoffs.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 just curious as to why a run first coach would be risky. IMO teams now are built to stop the pass and rush the passer I think a strong running team would do well against this type of defense. A strong running team would keep the time of possession in our favor the opposing qb off the field and our defense well rested. it is much easier to build a strong o-line and find a good running back than it is finding a quarterback. it also takes the pressure off of a young QB. We are built to be a running team with our strong defense. if we had a decent run game and not throw the ball 40+ times a game we would be in the playoffs. What you are talking about is what the Bills tried to do this season. Didn't work. Not saying it can't work with better personnel but in the interest of playoffs or bust Marrone and Hackett abandoned their up-tempo 2013 attack for a slow-down. They wanted to run the ball more in 2014 but down and distance is what kept them from running more....not a lack of commitment to it. When you are one dimensional any defense can adapt to what you do. Teams took away the run and rushed the passer on their way to the backfield because the Bills interior OL was a turnstyle. The more aggressive hurry-up approach of 2013 actually better served the young QB's.
johnwalter Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Broadly speaking, I would say the candidates are: 1.) Coaches (likely to be) fired after this season with offensive experience: a.) Tony Sparano (HC-Raiders) b.) Marc Trestman (HC-Bears) 2.) OCs working for coaches (likely to be) fired after this season: a.) Marty Mohrninweg (OC-Jets) b.) Greg Olson (OC-Raiders) c.) Ben McAdoo (OC-Giants) d.) Aaron Kromer (OC-Bears) Note - worked with Marrone in NO. e.) Dirk Koetter (OC-Falcons) f.) Greg Roman (OC-49ers) 3.) Offensive Coaches fired after last season not working as OCs: a.) Rob Chudzinski (Former HC-Browns, now "Special Assistant" in Indy. b.) Mike Munchak (Former HC-Titans, now OL coach in Pittsburgh, never been an OC) would love to see Tony Sparano on our sideline! dude fired up one of the most depressing locker room of the NFL's last decade.
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Guys, you realize that you're likely getting none of these guys that would be better than what we have, as we have, at best, a "middling" HC, on a team that, ownership change aside, has a history of 3-and-outing their head coaches after not showing much. What top college name or established/intriguing up-and-coming position coach would leave their current position that made them look so competent and attractive when they might be thrown out with the bath water after the 2015 season, then be looking for another job as a now 1-time failed OC.
frogger Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Dear lord, not Kevin Killdrve. I couldn't take it. You realize he's won two championships since buffalo fired him and is currently working for a pretty descent Dallas team
PolishDave Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 You realize he's won two championships since buffalo fired him and is currently working for a pretty descent Dallas team I thought he retired? http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Kevin-Gilbride-announces-retirement-/39f3eaa8-3858-4d4e-8977-59fcaed839e3 He wanted a head coaching job, but didn't get any offers I guess.
SBUffalo Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 If Dirk Koetter isn't kept when Atlanta fires Smith then let's nab him. Would be my first choice.
Wing Man Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Greg Roman would be my first choice if he comes available after the season.
boyst Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) Anyone mention Mike Martz? He's had success in the past and after hearing him mentioned on Sirius it got me thinking. If anything going forward bringing in Martz to work with our QB and/or our OC would help. He's a lot like Chan Gailey. Edited December 25, 2014 by jboyst62
SBUffalo Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Anyone mention Mike Martz? He's had success in the past and after hearing him mentioned on Sirius it got me thinking. If anything going forward bringing in Martz to work with our QB and/or our OC would help. He's a lot like Chan Gailey. He's been away for a while. Would also completely shut down any Cutler talk.
boyst Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 He's been away for a while. Would also completely shut down any Cutler talk. Really? On Sirius they were saying Cutler would only be successful being matched with Martz again. That's where I got Martz's name from. I know he has been away for a while but so was Gailey. In the right role I think Martz would be helpful, but I would be weary of bringing in someone who might get too far over the next guys shoulder.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Rod Chudzinski would be a big upgrade over Hackett plus he looks like Marrones little brother. Chuds can be instrumental in bringing in Cameron Jordan considering we had a career yr in his offense. Plus Chuds works great with #1 wrs Sammy would definitely be targeted heavily in his scheme. Yes Chudzinski would be great he has experience and he's done fine with all his offenses that he's coached. Plus he's well rounded in the rushing and passing attacks Greg Roman would be my first choice if he comes available after the season. Greg Roman won't be an OC anymore after the season the 49ers just had on Offense. What he would be great for is Oline coach- -running gm assistant. I would love to add him in this capacity.
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 I have said it before and I will say it again.....the best coordinators are former HC's that someone thought were sharp enough to be promoted..... I would take any of these fired HC'd that were prior OC's
Solomon Grundy Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Whomever the next OC is I hope he runs his offense based on the talent on the roster! This team has speed at most positions on offense and failed to utilize it. Maybe it was due to poor offensive line play, but they need to establish an identity.
SBUffalo Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Really? On Sirius they were saying Cutler would only be successful being matched with Martz again. That's where I got Martz's name from. I know he has been away for a while but so was Gailey. In the right role I think Martz would be helpful, but I would be weary of bringing in someone who might get too far over the next guys shoulder. They clearly don't know Martz and Cutler's history. They hate each other. Martz trashed Cutler before getting hired by Chicago. It was going well but then fell apart and Cutler said that he wanted somebody to tell Martz to "go !@#$ himself."
Max997 Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) Very interesting but very risky. A run first coach in today's NFL? You do realize Seattle the defending Super Bowl champions are a run first team and San Fran was primarily a run first team under Harbaugh getting to 3 consecutive conference championship games and one Super Bowl losing to the Ravens who most would say were also a run first team. I still believe that you win the game at the line of scrimmage and being able to run and stop the run is just as important now as it was 20 years ago especially when you don't have a top 5 QB Edited December 25, 2014 by Max997
SBUffalo Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 You do realize Seattle the defending Super Bowl champions are a run first team and San Fran was primarily a run first team under Harbaugh getting to 3 consecutive conference championship games and one Super Bowl losing to the Ravens who most would say were also a run first team. I still believe that you win the game at the line of scrimmage and being able to run and stop the run is just as important now as it was 20 years ago especially when you don't have a top 5 QB Do we have a Marshawn Lynch playing at a hall of fame level? Frank Gore in his prime? Funny how easy it is to be run first with Lynch or pass first with Manning. The players dictate the great systems.
Bangarang Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Does it really matter who the OC is as long as Marrone is the HC? This offense is conservative and stale because that's what Marrone is. He'd rather throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 10 rather than risk throwing it downfield. It seems like whenever we're in FG range, the plan is to not do anything to jeopardize the FG opportunity. Instead of attacking and going for the end zone we'll play the dink and dunk game. If we get yards after the catch that lead to TDs then great but the goal appears to always at least get 3 points. You ever wonder why it seems like we never take shots at the end zone when near or in the red zone? Or why we would trade up to draft a guy who is supposed to be 'open even when he's covered' but we don't really take shots and trust him to make a play? Our playoff hopes are on the line and our aging RB had more targets and receptions than our #1 WR. It's a problem and I attribute it to Marrone since everything goes through him.
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