K-9 Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 I hope Marrone has the good sense not to start Manuel in a meaningless run for the bus game. Drawbacks far outweigh the benefits from both a developmental standpoint as well as an organizational standpoint. Orton drove this bus, he has to park it. GO BILLS!!!
Deranged Rhino Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 I hope Marrone has the good sense not to start Manuel in a meaningless run for the bus game. Drawbacks far outweigh the benefits from both a developmental standpoint as well as an organizational standpoint. Orton drove this bus, he has to park it. GO BILLS!!! I've gone back and forth on this in my mind but think you're ultimately correct. Starting EJ next weekend won't show much in terms of whether or not he's developed on the bench and the downside is quite large. I hope Orton starts and gets shelled until he decides to retire.
K D Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 EJ in the first half, Orton in the second half. Let's see who we keep as the backup for next year because neither should be starting in the NFL
Garranimal Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 EJ Manuel had better career college numbers than Aaron Rodgers. 66.9% vs 63.8% completion percentage 150.4 vs 150.2 QB rating 8.6 vs 8.2 yards per attempt Once EJ figures out NFL defenses, he'll be a fine starter. Rodgers sat on the bench for 3 years learning the NFL game before even started a single game. Pretty much the same. But by comparison, EJ played for a team with superior talent in a weak conference while Aaron played for a much less talented team in a slightly stronger (at that time) conference. If EJ had similar numbers say on Duke or the Tar Heels, then we have a very red apples to green apples type of argument.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Pretty much the same. But by comparison, EJ played for a team with superior talent in a weak conference while Aaron played for a much less talented team in a slightly stronger (at that time) conference. If EJ had similar numbers say on Duke or the Tar Heels, then we have a very red apples to green apples type of argument. Rodgers played with 3 NFl rbs (JJ Arrington, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett). And the majority of FSU guys drafted with EJ were defensive players.
FireChan Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Rodgers played with 3 NFl rbs (JJ Arrington, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett). And the majority of FSU guys drafted with EJ were defensive players. Yeah, but you say things like "4-0 in Bowl games," those defensive players are important. NFL talent is NFL talent.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Yeah, but you say things like "4-0 in Bowl games," those defensive players are important. NFL talent is NFL talent. But to pretend like he was an offensive system loaded with skill players is false. He was the qb of a really young offense.
dave mcbride Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Aaron Rodgers is far, far better than Manuel will ever be.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Aaron Rodgers is far, far better than Manuel will ever be. Wait, EJ won't be as good as one of the greatest Qbs ever? I do love all the people who act like they knew Rodgers was going to be this good. Funny, I didn't hear people demanding him when he was sliding in the draft or riding the bench for 3 years. As always, hindsight is 20-20.
rfk Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 History of the Buffalo Bills Good we can now start __________ and sit down this clown____________.
Big Gun Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 here's a question about Orton. next year his option is a players option to return. So if he returns, can the Bills cut him anyway? Or is there anything that prohibts that from being done? You know what? Every single time someone calls you out on your EJ bashing, you take a shot and change the subject, but when it's brought up that Orton isn't the answer you hurl an insult like a grade schooler and change the subject. The facts are there. Taking away the 2 Jets games and the garbage time yardage, there is little to no difference between the QB's. So IMO I go with the one with potential which is EJ. Orton is what he is, there's nothing new he's magically going to do to be better. Haha, you're a funny guy! Kinda like the other guy. I think EJ stinks, and I will keep saying as much. You must think Orton stinks and you will keep saying as much. Problem? Oh, kinda hypocritical to say I take shots at others then call me a grade schooler. Pfffftttt......Whatever dude!
BobbyC81 Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 I hope Marrone has the good sense not to start Manuel in a meaningless run for the bus game. Drawbacks far outweigh the benefits from both a developmental standpoint as well as an organizational standpoint. Orton drove this bus, he has to park it. GO BILLS!!! I have a feeling this will truly be a run-for-the-bus game like in 2011 (Pats won 49-21) but this Bills offense won't score much. I predict New England 41-3.
K-9 Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 I have a feeling this will truly be a run-for-the-bus game like in 2011 (Pats won 49-21) but this Bills offense won't score much. I predict New England 41-3. I agree. This could be over by the end of he first quarter. Just not a good opportunity for evaluation of Manuel's progress. GO BILLS!!!
Mr. WEO Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Wait, EJ won't be as good as one of the greatest Qbs ever? I do love all the people who act like they knew Rodgers was going to be this good. Funny, I didn't hear people demanding him when he was sliding in the draft or riding the bench for 3 years. As always, hindsight is 20-20. Maybe it was because the Bills didn't have a 1st round pick that year. But rant on..
ALF Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 The Bills need to decide if they want to bid on Orton if he gets a better offer. Let him play against NE in a meaningless game for both teams. With this OL , I would not chance EJ getting hurt.
machine gun kelly Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 At this point, I don't care. I'm so disgusted with the team now with that embarrassment Sunday. I could have left the season with a win at Oakland and a tough fight at NE, and felt better about the team. Now, I'm just deflated and going into another 7 months of knowing our team sucks compared tot he playoff teams with not much hope without a first round pick next year.
simpleman Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Bigger, faster, 4-0 in bowl games. Carr seems like a Dalton type at best. He has never wowed me. Putting down Carr by calling him a Dalton type. I would take a Dalton over EJ any day.If Dalton was our QB this year with this defense,do you really believe that the Bills would not already be a lock for the playoffs? Dalton > EJ, Dalton > Orton.Give me a Dalton type. Carr may never be a top 5 QB, but he is good enough to get this Bills team into the playoffs playing in his rookie year. EJ has been with the Bills two seasons now and has shown just how ready he is to take the Bills to the playoffs. Carr has shown his skills and earned his coach's confidence on a horrible team his first year, and is still the starter. EJ has stunk it up repeatly on the Bills over two seasons and has failed to earn his coach's confidence enough to even start over "train wreck Orton". Do you really believe Orton > Carr? If the Bill's believe that this year Orton > EJ, who would be starting this year if Carr was a BIll? Edited December 23, 2014 by simpleman
MarkAF43 Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Haha, you're a funny guy! Kinda like the other guy. I think EJ stinks, and I will keep saying as much. You must think Orton stinks and you will keep saying as much. Problem? Oh, kinda hypocritical to say I take shots at others then call me a grade schooler. Pfffftttt......Whatever dude! Obviously your reading comprehension needs work. i didn't call you a grade schooler, I said you hurl insults LIKE a grade schooler. Nice assumption about Orton though, I've asked questions about Orton and you've not answered them. Take out the 2 Jets games and show me how much better Orton performed compared to EJ.
Big Gun Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Putting down Carr by calling him a Dalton type. I would take a Dalton over EJ any day.If Dalton was our QB this year with this defense,do you really believe that the Bills would not already be a lock for the playoffs? Dalton > EJ, Dalton > Orton.Give me a Dalton type. Carr may never be a top 5 QB, but he is good enough to get this Bills team into the playoffs playing in his rookie year. EJ has been with the Bills two seasons now and has shown just how ready he is to take the Bills to the playoffs. Carr has shown his skills and earned his coach's confidence on a horrible team his first year, and is still the starter. EJ has stunk it up repeatly on the Bills over two seasons and has failed to earn his coach's confidence enough to even start over "train wreck Orton". Do you really believe Orton > Carr? If the Bill's believe that this year Orton > EJ, who would be starting this year if Carr was a BIll? ^^This^^, bottom line is if EJ had anything he would have been playing. EJ or KO might be the starter next year but the 2016 starter isn't on the current roster.
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