RCOHEN13 Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Keeping this DL intact along with somehow figuring out what to do at QB next yr. In regards to our biggest FA who will command huge money in the open market. Do u guys think there is any chance we takes a little less to stay in perfect situation (on D) and most likely still get a monster deal from Bills prob in the 10 mil a yr range. We certainly have the cap room and as many have pointed out in other threads, if u factor in the cost of the front 7 not just DL, it averages out properly. I'd much rather have the superior talent up front and have younger, less expensive LB;s. As good as Ray Lewish was, the yr or 2 before Ngata got there , he was taking on alot more blocks from OL rather than having DL eat up the blocks, freeing him up to clean up. Bradham and Brown have been outstanding this yr, but a HUGE factor in that is the success of our DL. Having Marcel and Kyle in the middle. (team will no doubt either excercise rookie contract option to keep him or re-sign him to extension) to go along with Super Mario on 1 side and is just a beast and living up to his contract. Hughes as the "speed" rusher from other and we have the best DL in NFL. If Kiko comes back and is even close to as good as he was last yr, we could have a dynasty level D for a 4-5 run.... Of all the guys out there who SHOULD give a team a bit of a break to "keep team intact" its Hughes.... He is a hot head, pre season fights and all that junk.. takes some bad after the whistle penalties which are the most killer cuz it had nothing to do with play. Not to mention, Whaley and co. taking a chance on him, and turning him from 1st round bust label and blossoming into a star cuz Bills "saw something in him" where in Indy he was an afterthought and didnt fit their D. I dont think Hughes is on the level that is categorized "Elite" D. linemen. Mario is elite, Watt is elite, even Dareus at this point has to be in that discussion. Those are guys that can go to any team and make plays. I think Hughes benifits from the talent around him and is a bit undersized but has excellent motor and is solid vs run despite being under sized. If he were to go to highest bidder and has to be the "lead guy" i dont think he would be nearly as successful. His long term value is in Buffalo even if the money isnt as big cuz if he stays and gets 4-5 yr 10 mil a deal rather than lets say 12 mil on open market and possibly play for a team like Wash (purely meant as example, not speculation) who tends to pay big $ and still screw up. In this day and age NFL contracts are written in pencil anyway! Deals are re-done and guys get cut sometimes just 1 yr into that deal! Staying in Buffalo just makes the most sense from all facades. His still gets a very rich deal. Stays in a KNOWN situation and knowing team has rest of the DL under contract for few yrs has to be huge factor. As much as these guys love $$$, they need the success on the field to KEEP the money coming. He can easily continue racking up great years alongside Kyle, Mario and Marcel and his next contract will be a big one as well. Him leaving for a few mil more risks him going to an new situation. The Bills got him for NOTHING cuz the Colts figured this guy was useless. We turned a "1st round bust" hybrid DE/ LB who seemed lost in the shuffle.... To a pro-bowl level player. I just hope both parties come to agreement to keep him here. This is the closest we have been to building a contender. This team needs far less fixes than any team in playoff drought years. Re-sign Hughes, extend or use option on Dareus.. sign AND draft a guard and find a new OC and then FIND A DAMN QB!!!!!!! I've been a big backer of Cutler even after his dreadful season and even after his awful performance the other night. Marrone is a tough coach and think Cutler has been around too many coaches that coddled him. The kid needs a reality check and with the right OC, and our D, if he could get motivated to reach even HALF his potential, he would be the guy who could lead this squad the post season. Fire away!!! RC
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Maybe Mario can have some influence since Jerry's fiancée watches all of Mario's dogs when they are on the road, lol. He tweeted about that. They are really good friends. But, it's business.
reddogblitz Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 ZERO Why would he? It's going to take some serious coin to keep Jerry but would be well worth it IMHO. There will be many suitors I would imagine. I especially suspect the Seahawks to make a major push along with others like Baltimore or Chicago. It's not personal, it's bidness.
Clippers of Nfl Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 You mean give him that green social security debit card or coupons?
KD in CA Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Hometown discounts are for guys with long track records in one place, who have already made a truckload of money and who are more interested in a championship than an extra million in their pocket or are thinking about their HOF legacy, etc. Tom Brady, etc. A young guy who washed out with the team that drafted him and now has exploded on the scene is going to cash in, period. The best 'hometown' benefit you can hope for is that he is willing to take equal $ from the Bills than from anther team. But make no mistake, he will be playing for the highest bidder next season.
Buftex Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Yeah, I don't see that happening....and I couldn't really blame Hughes. Sure, he kind of "owes" the Bills a little for "discovering"" him, or giving him a chance to shine, but we all know, that kind of loyalty rarely exists in the business of sports any more. The Bills would get rid of him when it is best for them, so it goes both ways. Also, I have kind of had the sense all season, as great as Hughes has been, he and Marrone don't necessarily see eye to eye on everything...I am assuming Marrone will be back. That said, I hope it works out, and he is in a Bills uniform for a few more years.
Magox Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 I believe that if the offer we give him is on par with another, he may choose us over the other team considering this is the absolute best place he could play to have higher production.
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Maybe Mario can have some influence since Jerry's fiancée watches all of Mario's dogs when they are on the road, lol. He tweeted about that. They are really good friends. But, it's business. I don't know...Mario and fiancees don't work out well. Anyway, who is the last Bills player to give this "home town discount".?
RCOHEN13 Posted December 18, 2014 Author Posted December 18, 2014 I believe that if the offer we give him is on par with another, he may choose us over the other team considering this is the absolute best place he could play to have higher production. I truly hope that;s the case. It HAS to be a blast playing on a D like this, that's making so many plays. I know we will be looking for huge money and as u guys mentioned, he doesnt really "owe us" but staying in a situation where u have studs up front along with u to take the pressure off and make your job a lot easier. I guess it is wishful thinking on my part hoping he takes a bit less to stay here but hopefully Pegula ante's up cuz we just have to keep this DL in tact. We have the cap space, i'm just worried some owner like Snyder, or Jones offers him 14-15 mil a yr. I know he's been great, but i do not think he is "elite" and if we has a teams #1 rusher without strong supporting cast, he could be a huge bust somewhere else. In Buffalo, he has the safety net with a D that will be intact for hopefully next few yrs and can be part of something special.
MarkAF43 Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Not saying it means much but I saw something either on FB through the Bills mafia group or on twitter of a vine of Jerry being interviewed after the GB game and when asked where he expected to be next year his response was something to the effect of, I assume I'll be here. Not sure if that's the exact quote or if it was even a legit video but if so I found it slightly interesting
Clippers of Nfl Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Not saying it means much but I saw something either on FB through the Bills mafia group or on twitter of a vine of Jerry being interviewed after the GB game and when asked where he expected to be next year his response was something to the effect of, I assume I'll be here. Not sure if that's the exact quote or if it was even a legit video but if so I found it slightly interesting They have to say that. What is he supposed to say, "Yeah yall next year i'll be rollin in steeler country muth***, who ever can afford me you dumb beyotches"
MarkAF43 Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 They have to say that. What is he supposed to say, "Yeah yall next year i'll be rollin in steeler country muth***, who ever can afford me you dumb beyotches" I don't recall hearing players say they assume they'll be there. The standard answers are typically, we'll see how things play out, or talk to my agent, or we'll sit down in the offseason and figure it out then, right now we're trying to win football games. To me, hime saying I assume I'll be here isn't a standard or typical response.
FutureBillsGM Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Also, he fought with Marrone in camp and also heard about another incident during the preseason. He was then benched by Pepper Johnson (supposedly). He may not want to be around this staff any longer. Just a thought, nothing concrete.
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 I hope Hughes and his agent understand that Jerry's performance and production are a combination of his abilty, the system he plays in, and the players around him. Playing with 3 potential all pro's on the D-line can make life a lot easier. I expect they can agree to a package that is fair to both sides and I don't see this as a 'Byrd' type scenario where the player was intent on going elsewhere. My expectation is Hughes is here in 2015.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 I don't know...Mario and fiancees don't work out well. Anyway, who is the last Bills player to give this "home town discount".? I know he wasnt a FA but what kind of contract did Wood sign again? I'm sure he could have cashed in huge if he chose to hit free agency CBF
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 I know he wasnt a FA but what kind of contract did Wood sign again? I'm sure he could have cashed in huge if he chose to hit free agency CBF He's got the 6th/7th highest cap hit for Centers as it is, so I don't see how this is a discount or how he could have made more money at that time (given his injury history) or now (as the anchor of a bad O-line). Wood has made out pretty good.
papazoid Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 ZERO chance he gives a home town discount. this will be his one and only chance to cash in. can you say OVER RATED !! PRO: one trick pony who uses speed only (no power) to mop up "coverage" sacks and turnovers. gets credit for facing opponents LT. CON: weak vs Run , no power and is handled one on one by opposing tight ends. was pancaked 6 times vs cleveland, often turns his back to blocker during spin move and completely gives up on play, is the most penalized player on team (mentally challenged) , leads the league in unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. is total beneficiary of playing on line with 3 pro bowlers. is never double teamed. if he left buffalo and was the #1 rusher on another team you would never hear his name again. Conclusion: if you can get him for $7-8 mil maybe, anything more and your better off spending it elsewhere. retaining dareus and kyle Williams far more important.
Kellyto83TD Posted December 18, 2014 Posted December 18, 2014 Maybe Mario can have some influence since Jerry's fiancée watches all of Mario's dogs when they are on the road, lol. He tweeted about that. They are really good friends. But, it's business. How about Mario take a CUT in pay to keep Hughes here?
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