FTW_BillsFan Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I can see why the players won't sign up to the cap that the owners are trying to create. In essence a double cap that will limit how much the cap could go up. I've been in the owners corner the whole time during this lockout, but this is total crap. If the league is doing well, then the league should pay the players. Also, why have a min of 32 and a max cap of 42. I like having a minimum salary, but 32? That's a little high. It should be somewhere in the low 20's. I think the players would accept a cap if it was a honest cap, not this capping players salaries at 42mil even if the league is doing really well. They also need to get rid of guaranteed contracts. ESPN Linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Wow, I'd hate to live under a 42 million dollar cap, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I can see why the players won't sign up to the cap that the owners are trying to create. In essence a double cap that will limit how much the cap could go up. I've been in the owners corner the whole time during this lockout, but this is total crap. If the league is doing well, then the league should pay the players. Also, why have a min of 32 and a max cap of 42. I like having a minimum salary, but 32? That's a little high. It should be somewhere in the low 20's. I think the players would accept a cap if it was a honest cap, not this capping players salaries at 42mil even if the league is doing really well. They also need to get rid of guaranteed contracts. ESPN Linky 227182[/snapback] I agree that the floor is a bit high, I would propose maybe a floor of $26-28 million, and maybe even extend the ceiling a bit too, maybe to about $45-48 million. With the rollback in salaries etc, teams should be able to hit these marks, allow for all the teams to prosper, and also give some of the larger markets some ability to spend more because they earn more. (And Im a Sabres fan BTW) Having said this, if there is a cap put in place, they better roll back ticket prices AND concession prices too to reflect the changes in the new CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 how much money is to much? if owners did not pay so much money to start with they would not be in this mess , they only have themselves to blame . :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: the nhl and the owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 how much money is to much? if owners did not pay so much money to start with they would not be in this mess , they only have themselves to blame . :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: the nhl and the owners 227190[/snapback] Wouldnt it be collusion of the owners got together and kept down prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 they should have did this in all sports they are ALL OVER PAID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Is the proposed NHL cap based on a percentage of gross revenue like the NFL's cap is? And the minimum cap is a good thing for players because it prevents most of the teams from getting cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 If they are going to use a cap system they should make it based on the NFL model, which guarantees the players a certain percentage of revenue. But of course that works for the NFL because a large share of NFL team money is either from league-wide broadcast revenue or via sharing....Without the big national network $$$ they have to rely on the owners to profit-share... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 as soon as hockey becomes 1/1,000,000,000,000,000th as popular as the NFL, the players can complain about a "double cap"... as for now, shut up and be HAPPY that you get paid more than the CEO of most companies to PLAY A GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 In the NFL the cap is based on a percentage of the revenues, somewhere in the 50's I would guess. What if the league said, "Ya know we had a really good year and normally if we used the revenue % the cap would go up to 90mil, but the CBA has a max. the cap can be and it's 82 mil. So next year it's 82 mil. Thanks for the extra dough players." The players would feel slighted because they put a good product on the field and are not getting their cut of the profits. I think that's how the NHL players feel about what the owners are putting out there. All they want is their fair share of the pie. If revenues go up, then want more. If revenue goes down then need to take less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Wouldnt it be collusion of the owners got together and kept down prices? 227194[/snapback] Bingo. The baseball owners tried this during the Ueberroth period and got hammered by the courts for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 I agree they are all overpaid, but we go and buy the $75 dollar tickets, $15 parking, $6 hotdogs and $6 beers to go and see the games. If we stopped going to the game until the prices became more reasonable it would all level itself out. Question: Did anyone have Sabres season tickets? How much did they cost and did that include parking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 The players would feel slighted because they put a good product on the field and are not getting their cut of the profits. I think that's how the NHL players feel about what the owners are putting out there. All they want is their fair share of the pie. If revenues go up, then want more. If revenue goes down then need to take less. 227205[/snapback] I agree that no matter WHAT the revenues are, the players should get a pre-set and fixed percentage regardless. Again base it on the NFL model. And the NFL allocates ~67% of revenues for the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 I agree that no matter WHAT the revenues are, the players should get a pre-set and fixed percentage regardless. Again base it on the NFL model. And the NFL allocates ~67% of revenues for the cap. 227212[/snapback] Whoa! 67%, that's alot more than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Pyle Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 No cap, the league should have profit sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 No cap, the league should have profit sharing. They should have both, again like the NFL does (to a certain degree). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I agree they are all overpaid, but we go and buy the $75 dollar tickets, $15 parking, $6 hotdogs and $6 beers to go and see the games. If we stopped going to the game until the prices became more reasonable it would all level itself out. Question: Did anyone have Sabres season tickets? How much did they cost and did that include parking? 227209[/snapback] The prices you stated are a huge part of the problem. In a big market, you may be able to get away with charging $75 for a ticket, but you have a game in February on a Tuesday night against a crappy team and you end up with an entire lower bowl of empty blue seats. My 2 cents....I'm NEVER paying $75 for a regular season hockey game. I'm not even sure, I'd pay that much to see the Bills. Thankfully except for the club seats, all tickets are below this amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 The prices you stated are a huge part of the problem. In a big market, you may be able to get away with charging $75 for a ticket, but you have a game in February on a Tuesday night against a crappy team and you end up with an entire lower bowl of empty blue seats. My 2 cents....I'm NEVER paying $75 for a regular season hockey game. I'm not even sure, I'd pay that much to see the Bills. Thankfully except for the club seats, all tickets are below this amount 227271[/snapback] In Minnesota, the tickets are roughly that much for the lower bowl Wild games. The upper deck tickets were about $35 if I remember correctly. They sell out every game here. As far as football, the Vikings charge around $60 for the nosebleed seats... No idea how much the lower bowl stuff is here. That's why I was more than happy to pay around $80 for 4th row, 20 yardline tickets at the Ralph for the season opener. Compared to what I pay when the Bills visit Minnesota, it was a steal. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Wheels Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I would be happy never to see the faces of Bob Goodenow and Gery Bettman on my tv screen or in my newspaper ever again. It doesn't matter who you are siding with on this lockout....both of these guys are a couple of @ssclowns who are responsible for shutting down the NHL because they can't agree on how to cut up a big chunk of money. Shame on them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 The prices you stated are a huge part of the problem. In a big market, you may be able to get away with charging $75 for a ticket, but you have a game in February on a Tuesday night against a crappy team and you end up with an entire lower bowl of empty blue seats. My 2 cents....I'm NEVER paying $75 for a regular season hockey game. I'm not even sure, I'd pay that much to see the Bills. Thankfully except for the club seats, all tickets are below this amount 227271[/snapback] I totally agree with you, but the problem w/ Hockey is no one wants to watch it on TV, so the only way to play the players under the current (past) CBA was to pay through the nose for those seats. I would pay 75 for good Bills seats, but that's why I asked about season tickets and how much they cost for Hockey. Isn't the hockey season 84 games? That's 42 home games.... 42*75 = 3150 and that's for ONE seat!!!! Craziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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