YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 John, read Sully's column from yesterday. It's not conjecture by Sully, both Woods and Whatkins clearly stated that throwing the ball down field was not in the game plan. Again, how is that possible? Your right about QBs being able to change the play, but if they do it continuously, I don't think that would bode well. Marrone was interviewed this morning. Throwing downfield was in the game plan. There were looks that Denver has never shown on film that they used on Sunday that changed the Bills planned progressions on the field.
Maddog69 Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Marrone was interviewed this morning. Throwing downfield was in the game plan. There were looks that Denver has never shown on film that they used on Sunday that changed the Bills planned progressions on the field. That's really not what he said. The point of the conversation was that Jeremy got Marrone to admit that the deep throw to Woods was the #1 read (or Alert, as Marrone called it). If the safety stayed deep, the next throw was to Watkins in the crossing pattern and finally to the checkdown. Orton basically ignored the deep route. He immediately looked to Watkins, when the safety took that away, he went to the dump off rather than being aggressive and giving Woods a shot at a deep pass when he was 1-on-1 with a DB.
YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) That's really not what he said. The point of the conversation was that Jeremy got Marrone to admit that the deep throw to Woods was the #1 read (or Alert, as Marrone called it). If the safety stayed deep, the next throw was to Watkins in the crossing pattern and finally to the checkdown. Orton basically ignored the deep route. He immediately looked to Watkins, when the safety took that away, he went to the dump off rather than being aggressive and giving Woods a shot at a deep pass when he was 1-on-1 with a DB. I know what he said. So a deep throw to Woods was the #1 read? It was in the game plan, no? Orton has thrown to woods many times when he was 1:1 with a DB. You can say he ignored it, but Marrone also said he only had single coverage for a split second. If the throw didn't work, you would have wished he did check down to Gray. I'm not going to debate Orton's decision making because the post I was responding to was whether throwing downfield was in the game plan. Sully has an agenda and cherry picks quotes to fit that. Always has, always will. Edited December 12, 2014 by YoloinOhio
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4merper4mer Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) It's nice that he doesn't think the officials are pacifically targeting Hughes. Glad to hear the kickoff specialist is having a great week of practice. He was very candid, articulate and insightful about college football. He seems like he'd make an interesting studio analyst. Hopefully that'll be in 2015. Edited December 12, 2014 by 4merper4mer
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I know what he said. So a deep throw to Woods was the #1 read? It was in the game plan, no? Orton has thrown to woods many times when he was 1:1 with a DB. You can say he ignored it, but Marrone also said he only had single coverage for a split second. If the throw didn't work, you would have wished he did check down to Gray. I'm not going to debate Orton's decision making because the post I was responding to was whether throwing downfield was in the game plan. Sully has an agenda and cherry picks quotes to fit that. Always has, always will. Here is the paragraph from Sully's article. Woods said the Bills needed to take more shots down the field. Asked why he hadn’t been targeted in the first half, he said it was in the game plan. On Wednesday, Sammy Watkins was asked why the wideouts hadn’t been featured more early, he also mentioned the game plan. Reads to me that Woods said it was in the game plan.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I know what he said. So a deep throw to Woods was the #1 read? It was in the game plan, no? Orton has thrown to woods many times when he was 1:1 with a DB. You can say he ignored it, but Marrone also said he only had single coverage for a split second. If the throw didn't work, you would have wished he did check down to Gray. I'm not going to debate Orton's decision making because the post I was responding to was whether throwing downfield was in the game plan. Sully has an agenda and cherry picks quotes to fit that. Always has, always will. I didn't listen to the interview. But I'm pretty sure that a WR or two saying that downfield throws were not in the game plan does not mean that zero of 50-70 plays called had a deep pass as #1 option. It means that they weren't looking to do it much if at all. But one play doesn't change that one bit. Here is the paragraph from Sully's article. Reads to me that Woods said it was in the game plan. The first time I read that quote that's what I thought. That he meant it WAS in the game plan and the Bills just didn't call it or Orton didn't throw it. But everyone talking about not in the game plan made me think I missed part of what Woods said from another article or blurb or something. And the next sentence about Watkins doesn't give you any info; something to the affect of Watkins also mentioned it. Thanks, Jer. That could mean anything.
The Big Cat Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I didn't listen to the interview. But I'm pretty sure that a WR or two saying that downfield throws were not in the game plan does not mean that zero of 50-70 plays called had a deep pass as #1 option. It means that they weren't looking to do it much if at all. But one play doesn't change that one bit. The first time I read that quote that's what I thought. That he meant it WAS in the game plan and the Bills just didn't call it or Orton didn't throw it. But everyone talking about not in the game plan made me think I missed part of what Woods said from another article or blurb or something. And the next sentence about Watkins doesn't give you any info; something to the affect of Watkins also mentioned it. Thanks, Jer. That could mean anything. In the interview, Marrone repeated several times that the deep stuff became available because the Broncos jumped the underneath routes and that was unlike anything they saw from 12 weeks worth of film. Translation: the guy with the !@#$ing ball in his hands has to react and make a play.
QB Bills Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 It's nice that he doesn't think the officials are pacifically targeting Hughes. Glad to hear the kickoff specialist is having a great week of practice. He was very candid, articulate and insightful about college football. He seems like he'd make an interesting studio analyst. Hopefully that'll be in 2015. Haha...I thought I was the only one who caught that. What a complete meathead. Hopefully we never have to hear from this bum ever again after this season.
YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I didn't listen to the interview. But I'm pretty sure that a WR or two saying that downfield throws were not in the game plan does not mean that zero of 50-70 plays called had a deep pass as #1 option. It means that they weren't looking to do it much if at all. But one play doesn't change that one bit. The first time I read that quote that's what I thought. That he meant it WAS in the game plan and the Bills just didn't call it or Orton didn't throw it. But everyone talking about not in the game plan made me think I missed part of what Woods said from another article or blurb or something. And the next sentence about Watkins doesn't give you any info; something to the affect of Watkins also mentioned it. Thanks, Jer. That could mean anything. i'm lost. What are we criticizing Marrone for now? It was in the game plan? It wasn't? Where did it come from that it wasn't in the game plan?
The Big Cat Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 i'm lost. What are we criticizing Marrone for now? It was in the game plan? It wasn't? Where did it come from that it wasn't in the game plan? I feel much better about my own sanity now.
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 i'm lost. What are we criticizing Marrone for now? It was in the game plan? It wasn't? Where did it come from that it wasn't in the game plan? if it was in the gameplan, great! it was presented here as not being, which wouldve been strange.
chris heff Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Here is the paragraph from Sully's article. Reads to me that Woods said it was in the game plan. I completely read that wrong., my apologies. I thought Woods said "wasn't"not "was". I guess because I sceam "throw the ball down field" at my television every Sunday I expected to read "wasn't".
FireChan Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I feel much better about my own sanity now. Low blow.
bobobonators Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 my feelings after reading this thread:
K-9 Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) The same Brandon who hired a HC without much input from the current GM as noted by a very credible poster earlier in this post? In doing so, he created a situation where the GM and HC aren't on the same page because the latter didn't get to hire his own guy. Which is why I can see now that Whaley makes moves and then those players, like Mike Williams, Bryce Brown, et al. don't play. There are too many factions at OBD and it's not like they were aligned before this. And you have none other to blame for this situation than the guy the Pegula's felt required to remove from football operations as one of their first decisions. Coincidence? I think not. Again, that is not correct. Whaley was an integral part of the process in the coaching search and was glued to that room for the entire week that he, Brandon, Nix, and Overdorf were in Arizona. As Kelly the Dog and I said earlier, it's our guess that Whaley, given his strong Steelers ties, probably preferred Wisenhunt. Whaley and everyone else involved made a consensus decision though and Whaley has said that himself. Brandon, from his tenure as GM and throughout his role as president, never made a single football personnel decision on his own; from front office personnel, to scouting, to coaches and players. This further cements my theory that this is nothing more than an exercise in fan psychology: I LIKE Whaley, I HATE Marrone, therefore Whaley MUST hate Marrone, too and did the ENTIRE time. It's the only way fans can reconcile the conflict, it seems. I think your point about the Pegulas delineating Brandon's responsibilities is an excellent one. But it wasn't done in some punitive way. Brandon doesn't have to worry about the football operations side anymore and he can be free to focus where his expertise is best put to use 100% of the time. Makes perfect sense, he's damn good at it. And from what little I know of the man, I suspect he's relieved not to be spread so thin. GO BILLS!!! Edited December 12, 2014 by K-9
YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 my feelings after reading this thread: i think we are back to blaming Orton. Not sure. Fire everyone, just in case.
bobobonators Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 i think we are back to blaming Orton. Not sure. Fire everyone, just in case. LOL. The trials and tribulations of being a Bills fan. I actually read the entire thread and really don't have much to offer besides wanting to put a bullet in something. At least it's Friday!
26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2014 Author Posted December 12, 2014 i think we are back to blaming Orton. Not sure. Fire everyone, just in case. Best chance to win.
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