Ted William's frozen head Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 That photo is not definitive. You cannot see the knee. He wasn't in. It wasn't a TD. It was a hair short. But you cannot use two different replays to prove it. That's not allowed. So even though you could prove he wasn't by two different replays, the officials are not allowed to overturn it. You can't blame them for that, and you can't really blame them for missing the call by an inch in real time when it looked like he snuck through. "Just give it to 'em'.
NoSaint Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Part of the problem, for me, was CBS never showing replays of penalties. I can only go by what the refs and announcers say. Penalty on Roby? No way. Was it really on AW but the ref got it wrong? I have to take your word because that's not what I was shown on TV. But that call, right or wrong, took a 4th down and a FG try and turned it into a TD drive. Those two INT returns that were called back, again right or wrong, cost the Bills field position in FG range. If the Bills didn't gain a yard on either drive they still probably get 6 points. That is a 10-point swing on three penalties in a game that Denver won by 7. How can you say that doesn't matter? Again, if they were legit calls, then that's on us. But nothing I was shown or told on TV made them legit. And yet only one of them do you have a reason to call not legit and you've been given a reasonable possible explanation. So it seems you are making more jumps than he is
Ted William's frozen head Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 and now you are blaming this loss on the refs????? They influenced the game to a disturbing degree, but don't let your sharpened axe get in the way of facts....
bowery4 Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 I will be honest here, that game was the worst officiated game I have seen in years. Simply, there were too many judgement calls that went the home teams way. There have been many games like that this season, I stopped watching other teams games this year (about 6 or 7 weeks ago) because of it. The Bills may or may not have been the victims of it, I am not sure and neither is anyone else. And that right there is a big part of the problem, we can't judge if the game was officiated fairly or not. No one can. That stinks. It reeks of corruption and that is why the fist bump, no matter what the refs think they were doing was wrong, wrong, wrong. It hasn't always been this way, so that is a pretty good indication it doesn't have to be this way. I understand PTRs point in doing this thread because I as a fan of my team, also want to support them regarding the crappistic call they get every week. But the problem here is not really the officiating. The problem is the many, depending how you look at it maybe all the rules are judgements of the officials. The rules didn't have to change into that, they didn't used to be that. I know there have always been controversial judgement calls but this season it has been like an avalanche, "it is ruining the game" is said on every message board or comments on stories in every article, every week. So why is this happening? Well, we should examine it. Last year, there was controversy over the Seahags defense, particularly the secondary. They were fouling basiclly on every play. The reason, they knew it can't be called every play. And that right there, my friends is what is wrong with football at the moment. The officiating sucks because rules are broken almost every play. So really, what is to be done about that? The refs do what they can, to see as much as they can but they miss things. The players are going to take as much as they are given, the coaches too just look at the Seahags classy boss hog last year. So the league took the matter into consideration in the off season and there is a giant spike in DPI calls this year. Also there is a big jump in taunting because of other politics (which I am not going to get into here). Let's put it this way, some of these rules are for safety and some for PCness. Anyway, back on subject, what to do about the rules? It seems that there is no way to take the judgement out of calls and penalties, so I am not sure what to do with that except: 1st, I think we can all agree, Refs should be held to the players standards, at least and ALL penalties, should be reviewable. Under the same review rules or maybe even slightly different ones (I would like at least one more review per game myself, I don't care if games go longer, fairness has obviously become an issue and the NFL can have more commercials and make even more $s, they should like that). 2nd, the Refs need more oversight. I know the league says they review the calls the refs make but it is not transparent and well, they just demote them to less important games.... who does that hurt? Bottom feeders like us maybe? 3rd, rules need simplification. Have you ever looked at the rule book? Da to the n to the M! here is a linky (2013, 2014 is too controversial to release the year they are using it I guess) BTW, it is a download http://www.nfl.com/rulebook Even the flag football teams for the "play 60" has a giant rule book, initiating the children, to following and breaking the rules lol. Can we see a 1960s rule book please because I know it was better and shorter. 4th, playoff seeding needs work too. 5th, player suspensions too. That's all rant over. One last thought, I have been watching NFL football 4o some odd years. This team is my age, I am excited about it's future and happy about the new owners (obviously) but and here it comes. I am not sure I can watch anymore. It just makes my BP go up, I am sure. I feel crappy after a showing by the team like the one on offense yesterday. I know though that the game was winnable and the refs had a bit too much to do with the fact that they lost. Again. (it isn't the first time this year I have felt that about our team or other games I watched) I gave up with other teams, it just wasn't entertaining. I may give up with the Bills. I haven't decided yet, if they lose in the same fashion next week? Or was last week enough? Does it matter?
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 Wow, I'm surprised no one sees it even a little my way. My first glance I see CJ Anderson sitting on his azz short of the goal line. Yup he is sitting on his ass clearly short of the goal line. I wish you guys could have watched at my friends house. 10 foot hd projection rewind and zoom. Clearly short. No possible way anyone could claim he was in as Anderson was sitting on the ground with his back to the goal line with the ball about the width of his body short. Anderson then turns his body and crosses after being down by contact. No touchdown.
CSBill Posted December 9, 2014 Posted December 9, 2014 lets not forget the Hogan TD should have been called back, Denver knocks each other off a pick in the endzone before the last TD....wow. Why? I guess I missed that one.
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