TPS Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 The Robey call was close but a bad call. The Gilmore call was very close but a bad call. The Gilmore one was somewhat understandable because at real speed it looked like he took his head off. On replay it was clearly a bad call. But both were close. We were killed by the two blocks in the back but we never saw replays. We can't say at all if they were bad calls. It's impossible to believe in a conspiracy though. I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on in this establishment...there is money to be made. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Money is made in a lot of ways.
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 Hughes seems to be a marked man this year. For all we know, he talked to a teammate and drew a taunting penalty. I'd hope marrone wouldn't bench him for that - and he did disappear while posters said reporters confirmed it was a conduct benching
FireChan Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I'd hope marrone wouldn't bench him for that - and he did disappear while posters said reporters confirmed it was a conduct benching Marrone denies it was a discpline thing by him. Maybe Schwartz?
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) Marrone denies it was a discpline thing by him. Maybe Schwartz? I dunno, but it's definitely the story from that play -- not a tough bang-bang call for the refs or sanders bow. Marrone should answer why hughes was gone for so long. If he's hiding behind semantics and it was Schwartz..... Lame. Edited December 8, 2014 by NoSaint
Saint Doug Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I'd hope marrone wouldn't bench him for that - and he did disappear while posters said reporters confirmed it was a conduct benching I guess they're starting on building their case for not resigning him.
FireChan Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I dunno, but it's definitely the story from that play -- not a tough bang-bang call for the refs or sanders bow. Marrone should answer why hughes was gone for so long. If he's hiding behind semantics and it was Schwartz..... Lame. Maybe. Who knows how fired up Jerry was though. He could've easily been agitated enough to get another flag or two, and ejected.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I dunno, but it's definitely the story from that play -- not a tough bang-bang call for the refs or sanders bow. Marrone should answer why hughes was gone for so long. If he's hiding behind semantics and it was Schwartz..... Lame. Even if it was Schwartz he should overrule him. Hughes cannot be benched in this game. This is not a time to make a statement. And it could also make Hughes not want to come back here. Certain guys play with emotion. Hughes does. Bradham does. You don't bench them for one penalty even if they have a history of penalties.
Big C Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 Maybe. Who knows how fired up Jerry was though. He could've easily been agitated enough to get another flag or two, and ejected. So you keep him off a series or two. Not into the next half.
boyst Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I think the Hughes thing is why Marrone sat him in the 3rd.
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 Even if it was Schwartz he should overrule him. Hughes cannot be benched in this game. This is not a time to make a statement. And it could also make Hughes not want to come back here. Certain guys play with emotion. Hughes does. Bradham does. You don't bench them for one penalty even if they have a history of penalties. If FC can elaborate- did marrone say anything beyond "I did not punish him"?
Fixxxer Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 So you keep him off a series or two. Not into the next half. next half? He was on the field on the same TD drive where Lawson was mugged by the RT.
Big C Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 next half? He was on the field on the same TD drive where Lawson was mugged by the RT. Hmmm... I didn't see him until the 4th. My bad.
FireChan Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) If FC can elaborate- did marrone say anything beyond "I did not punish him"? http://espn.go.com/b...sciplined-by-me "I wasn't aware of any substitutional issue," Marrone said after the game. "It was definitely not a discipline thing, at least from my end, from what I was talking about. I'm trying to manage the whole game. I'd have to go back and talk to the defensive coaches." As a follow-up, a reporter asked if a position coach could bench a player without the head coach knowing. "Probably no," Marrone said. "Not without me knowing about it, if you bench him." After that play, I just said, 'Hey, let's get Jerry on the sideline, let's calm him down, we can't afford to lose him. And then let's go,'" Marrone explained. Kind of a shame, they picked on Manny until Hughes came back. Edited December 8, 2014 by FireChan
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) next half? He was on the field on the same TD drive where Lawson was mugged by the RT. You sure? My first sighting was late 3rd quarter(?). The penalty was early/mid second? That seems to match what other posters saw From Vic Carrucci: #Bills coach Doug Marrone sends strong message to Hughes & rest of team by benching DE after his unsportsmanlike conduct. http://espn.go.com/b...sciplined-by-me "I wasn't aware of any substitutional issue," Marrone said after the game. "It was definitely not a discipline thing, at least from my end, from what I was talking about. I'm trying to manage the whole game. I'd have to go back and talk to the defensive coaches." As a follow-up, a reporter asked if a position coach could bench a player without the head coach knowing. "Probably no," Marrone said. "Not without me knowing about it, if you bench him." After that play, I just said, 'Hey, let's get Jerry on the sideline, let's calm him down, we can't afford to lose him. And then let's go,'" Marrone explained. Kind of a shame, they picked on Manny until Hughes came back. Thanks for grabbing the quote. If I missed him on other drives it might make sense but it seemed he missed a good chunk of time Marrone must've forgotten to tell them to put him back in! Edited December 8, 2014 by NoSaint
FireChan Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 You sure? My first sighting was mid/late 3rd quarter. The penalty was early/mid second? That seems to match what other posters saw From Vic Carrucci: #Bills coach Doug Marrone sends strong message to Hughes & rest of team by benching DE after his unsportsmanlike conduct. Thanks for grabbing the quote. If I missed him on other drives it might make sense but it seemed he missed a good chunk of time No idea how long he missed. Of course, Rodak doesn't report that.
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 Hmmm... I didn't see him until the 4th. My bad. There were several that made a point of it in the game thread when he reappeared - and a few discussing how long he was gone. I'm curious to confirm now....
Beerball Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 You sure? My first sighting was late 3rd quarter(?). The penalty was early/mid second? That seems to match what other posters saw From Vic Carrucci: #Bills coach Doug Marrone sends strong message to Hughes & rest of team by benching DE after his unsportsmanlike conduct. I did not see him until late 3 early 4.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I did not see him until late 3 early 4. That's brutal. That's terrible coaching IMO.
Big C Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) There were several that made a point of it in the game thread when he reappeared - and a few discussing how long he was gone. I'm curious to confirm now.... Just went through, should have quoted but just copied the text real quick: Posted Today, 03:37 PM Hughes finally back in! A few other posts followed. So that's the 4th right? Edit: Should clarify that I am west coast. Edited December 8, 2014 by Big C
NoSaint Posted December 8, 2014 Posted December 8, 2014 I did not see him until late 3 early 4. Yea - I wrote that without much thought. I think I was overly conservative in the estimation looking back. I think early 4 was the reappearance as I rememver thinking "wow, 2 quarters out" which would match early 4 like you and C both remember Just went through, should have quoted but just copied the text real quick: Posted Today, 03:37 PM Hughes finally back in! A few other posts followed. So that's the 4th right? Edit: Should clarify that I am west coast. Pretty sure you were right
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