Marrone Hackett Seal Their Fate

[Bills Realist]

Marrone and Hackett and Pettine/Schwartz have made the Bills relevant in December(and we still have a 41.6% chance if we win out) for the first time in 10 years.

 

And that means they've sealed their fate? :lol: Yet another dude trying to disprove the "Bills fans are the most knowledgeable in the NFL" adage.

 

Seriously. The go in as 9.5 dogs, and not only cover, but make it a game after making all sorts of execution(not coaching) errors, and you're talking about 4th down calls? If Chandler goes up and gets the ball on 4th and 6? This is a different game. That was a great call, and we have to expect Chandler to make that play. Meanwhile with the game on the line, you want us to take a chance that if we miss, we have 0 chance, rather than punt, and still have a chance? We scored a TD right after punting.

 

So tired of this broken record/non-thinking about Marrone/Hackett. The man has done a hell of a job with at best average(right now) QBs and losing both his stud RBs for much of the season, and is playing WRs who haven't played for 3 years(used to be the rule that it takes that long for a WR to learn the game).

 

I don't know where in WNY this non-thinking originates, but if I find it, I will respond. Perhaps I will pay a farmer to drop 1 ton of manure there.

 

 

This is what I mean when I say "The Bills are not your problem".

 

EDIT: We go in and give the best team in the league, and the best QB to ever play the game, hell, and his worst rating in 6 years, and that seals fates? Patently retarded.

 

Actually, it was the defense that gave Manning hell. The offense sure as hell didn't give Denver's defense any problems.

 

I love seeing obvious fanboy posts like yours. It really shows just who is "patently retarded".

[Big Gun]

I am firmly not with any group calling for Hackett +/or Marrone being fired..any successful NFL franchise requires continuity and stability for the coaches and front office..fire them for what? To get whom? Really am frustrated at the he Bills loss today but equally frustrated at the calls to let these guys go..How about giving them the minimum 3 to 5 years it takes to turn around this perpetually broken and losing franchise? Count me in the apparent minority of Bills fans who know we are definitely moving in the right direction.. 14 years of non playoff appearances are not fixed by dumpling the O coordinator and Head Coach every other year!!!!!

 

+1 A effing men brother I hear ya!

[xsoldier54]

This game turned on two early calls. The phantom illegal contact that allowed Denver to score a touchdown instead of a field goal and the illegal block in the back on the INT return. That ended up being a 40 yard penalty. It took us from the Denver 20 to our own 38. If those two calls had not been made, I firmly believe we would have gone up 7-3 instead of being down 14-3 and that makes for a whole different ball game. Those two calls resulted in a possible 11 point swing in a game that we lost by 7. There were other calls that were similar, but it was clear from the very beginning that the NFL was not going to allow Buffalo to win this game. Every single time they did something good, the officials took it away. Make no mistake, it was not the HC or OC that lost this game for the Bills. It was a done deal from the first quarter on. The fix was in. I know this won't be a very popular opinion, but I have been watching the NFL long enough that I could see very early on where this game was headed. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[section122]

That is a 37.3% chance of ending the game right then and there. Terrible odds

 

Yes. What people are missing is that a fg for Den was a formality at that point if the Bills don't convert. That puts them down 17 or 3 scores for those bad at math. The way the Bills played it gave them a chance to get the ball back and win. How can anyone question this?!?!!?

 

Look at what a kitty McCoy and Reich are punting from midfield down 9 with 6 minutes to go.

 

Only Marrone does it though.

 

Well therein lies the rub Cat. You are assuming that these people watch any other games. More and more lately I'm getting the feeling that people don't watch ANY other teams.

 

Wasn't it Urbik called for the hold on Freddy's 25 yard catch and run? That was a 35 yard penalty and just killed us at the time.

 

But you are dead on about Orton. He has NO movement skills in the pocket whatsoever. Just a simple slide step here and there and he can extend a play to find the open guys he's routinely missing. Ugh! I can't even talk about Orton anymore.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Twice Orton just turned his back in the pocket and waited for contact. Once it never came and he was caught off guard. This guy is the worst. I feel bad for Hackett, I seriously do. Thad and Tuel don't belong on the field, EJ is a project, and Orton is a career backup. This guy has been given garbage at the most important position in sports and it will likely cost him his job. For all the whining about the redzone offense, I can think of 2 Orton picks in the endzone, a Hogan fumble in the redzone, and a Bryce fumble in the red zone just off the top of my head. He called a very good game yesterday and has been for the last few weeks. He has just been getting Ortoned.

 

This game turned on two early calls. The phantom illegal contact that allowed Denver to score a touchdown instead of a field goal and the illegal block in the back on the INT return. That ended up being a 40 yard penalty. It took us from the Denver 20 to our own 38. If those two calls had not been made, I firmly believe we would have gone up 7-3 instead of being down 14-3 and that makes for a whole different ball game. Those two calls resulted in a possible 11 point swing in a game that we lost by 7. There were other calls that were similar, but it was clear from the very beginning that the NFL was not going to allow Buffalo to win this game. Every single time they did something good, the officials took it away. Make no mistake, it was not the HC or OC that lost this game for the Bills. It was a done deal from the first quarter on. The fix was in. I know this won't be a very popular opinion, but I have been watching the NFL long enough that I could see very early on where this game was headed. Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

My "favorite" was the bs call on Gillmore on the Sanders hit. That wasn't pass interference. The refs got bailed out though by Hughes drawing yet another personal foul flag but that conversation belongs in a different thread. I agree though 11 points were gifted to the Broncos in this game. All game long I kept thinking about how differently it would be playing out.

[Pondslider]

Yes. What people are missing is that a fg for Den was a formality at that point if the Bills don't convert. That puts them down 17 or 3 scores for those bad at math. The way the Bills played it gave them a chance to get the ball back and win. How can anyone question this?!?!!?

 

 

Well they punted and everything worked out for them about as well they could have planned for it and they still lost because the offense only got the ball back once when they needed two scores. So maybe that's why people question it? Being down 2 scores is the same as being down 3 scores if you only score once.

 

Why didn't they punt the ball on 4th and 16? There were still over 3 minutes left. If they hadn't converted it Denver could have scored a TD and 2 point conversion and then where would they have been!?!

[ProcessAccepted]

I actually think Orton/Ej have been told to check down. How do you explain two completely different QBs playing the same way? Granted EJ culdnt hit an open reciever, But both seem to have Trent Edwards disease. Today was the most innovative we have seen this offense. And they rode those plays all day.

 

The most important word here is "think". We keep coming up with thoughts and believe them to be fact. Could it simply be that we do not have a good option at QB? Teams that win consistently have an solid answer at that position. We are an 8-8 team that could have been 10-6 if we hadn't blown games like the Texans and Chiefs. Better QB play would have gotten us those two wins.

 

Another thing I'm finding funny is how many people want to keep Schwartz as DC and the call to hire Harbaugh as HC. If those things were to happen I'm sure it would make for some interesting handshakes

[section122]

Well they punted and everything worked out for them about as well they could have planned for it and they still lost because the offense only got the ball back once when they needed two scores. So maybe that's why people question it? Being down 2 scores is the same as being down 3 scores if you only score once.

 

Why didn't they punt the ball on 4th and 16? There were still over 3 minutes left. If they hadn't converted it Denver could have scored a TD and 2 point conversion and then where would they have been!?!

You can't be serious with this. Sure the Bills only got the ball back once but they had a chance to get it back twice. Now if they had a chance to get it 3 times your argument would hold merit. They lost by 1 score and had a chance to get the ball back to tie it. It didn't work out but how is that worse than getting the ball once and losing by 2 scores? 6 minutes left and 3 minutes left are 2 totally different things. You can't be serious thinking they are the same idea can you?

[Pondslider]

You can't be serious with this. Sure the Bills only got the ball back once but they had a chance to get it back twice. Now if they had a chance to get it 3 times your argument would hold merit. They lost by 1 score and had a chance to get the ball back to tie it. It didn't work out but how is that worse than getting the ball once and losing by 2 scores? 6 minutes left and 3 minutes left are 2 totally different things. You can't be serious thinking they are the same idea can you?

 

They had a minuscule chance of getting the ball back twice. An onside kick with less than a minute technically counts as a chance I guess? They would have had a better chance if they hadn't punted. And that's the point I've been making.

 

That and in the end it doesn't matter whether they lose by 1 score or 3 scores. I don't give them credit for making it close.

[TheFunPolice]

4th and short is much more favorable than recovering an onside kick and it isn't even close

 

Either way...if you fail you are going to lose