Ted William's frozen head Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Seriously can he play or what. They are letting him talk about it and not giving their side. Annoying as all hell. @mikerodak: Mike Williams sarcastically aims to be the Bills' best scout team player: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=buffalo-bills&id=15906&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FjsLKexcNy9%22%7D Rodak is his BFF @mikerodak: Mike Williams “I’m still that guy who can score in the RZ any time I want. It’s just other people gotta see it. If they don’t somebody will" Somebody has to whisper to Marrone that this isn't Syracuse, and his stupidity is hurting the team.
GG Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 i believe they need to cut him prior to day 3 of the 2015 league year (March?) All depends when the roster bonus is due, but really doesn't matter if it's day 1,2 or 5. Safe to say Hadley had it scheduled for the first week of the league year and that's when Bills will cut him, if not much earlier.
QCity Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Quick search, found the following. I have to keep digging... http://www.spotrac.c.../mike-williams/ http://espn.go.com/b...lliams-contract here we go... http://overthecap.co...e-williams/363/ If accurate, cut by June 1, 2015, no dead money. We hashed this out in the last Mike Williams thread (there's a few of them). Every source had the $5.2M 2015 salary as guaranteed except overthecap.com.
BuffaninATL Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Yep. I don't care if you hate Marrone, he's a coach, you're a player. Understand the chain of command. There is no evidence to suggest that MW "hates" Marrone, nor is he misunderstanding the chain of command.Frankly, if I was in his shoes on this team, with a suck-ass popgun offense (dead least in the RZ), I'd be inclined to give a candid answer when asked by a reporter. This is the complete opposite of most pro players who give a scripted, rehearsed, vanilla answer. As long as MW is not being a disruptive ass to the team, which to my knowledge he is not, then I have no problem with him stating his position.He believes in his abilities and wants to help his team win....period. For a great summary, I like FearTheLosing's take: "Regardless, seems so lame to keep a known red zone scoring talent like Williams inactive or only on special teams for any reason. The stupidity of the current offensive coaching staff is unbelievable, and I can't hardly wait for the off season." But let's keep rolling out a game-day spot for that kickoff specialist.....classic
Buffaloed in Pa Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 I remember Marrone saying that the other receivers were better. Said the same about Urbik also. Sorry Glass Goodwin and his straight line speed is a joke. In my opinion Hogan looks really stiff also. Runs kinda like Hulk Hogan.
Saxum Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Sounds like DM is putting a personal issue with him ahead of the good of the team. This is exactly the type of person that we do not need as head coach or any other position. It sounds more like you and other posters are making things up because you do not like coach. This is exactly the type of person that we do not need to listen to.
4merper4mer Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 It sounds more like you and other posters are making things up because you do not like coach. This is exactly the type of person that we do not need to listen to. Making up what? A calf injury? Oh, no wait. That's been done. Calling MW a known commodity and real NFL red zone threat? Oh, no wait. That is all true? What are we making up again?
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Making up what? A calf injury? Oh, no wait. That's been done. Calling MW a known commodity and real NFL red zone threat? Oh, no wait. That is all true? What are we making up again? "Putting a personal issue ahead.." That's all speculation bud. I know, I know, paper skin and all that. Ms. Hackett. You just got Papa Doc'd.
4merper4mer Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) "Putting a personal issue ahead.." That's all speculation bud. I know, I know, paper skin and all that. Ms. Hackett. You just got Papa Doc'd. So it isn't personal with Williams? Then what on Earth could it possibly be? Your defense of Marrone is beyond ridiculous. He has been handed a team whose defense, excluding one score in garbage time of a win against the Jets, has given up more than 20 point once this season. ONCE. I count no other defense in the AFC which has given up 20 or less in any fewer than FOUR games. Given his offensive genius, he has managed to get that team to a 7-5 record. Williams' ridiculous omission is merely one symptom of the offensive disease that has ravaged our playoff chances. Edited December 6, 2014 by 4merper4mer
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) So it isn't personal with Williams? Then what on Earth could it possibly be? Your defense of Marrone is beyond ridiculous. He has been handed a team whose defense, excluding one score in garbage time of a win against the Jets, has given up more than 20 point once this season. ONCE. Given his offensive genius, he has managed to get that team to a 7-5 record. Williams' ridiculous omission is merely one symptom of the offensive disease that has ravaged our playoff chances. Marrone was handed this defense? I didn't realize it was so talented before he got here. I don't know what it was. Neither do you. Mike Williams was traded for a 6th round pick. 900 yard season, 700 yard season, 996 yard season. 23 TD's in 3 years. Sixth round pick. Sixth round pick. Explain that one please. 2 NFL regimes are thin-skinned cowards? Lovie hates funny T-shirts? Edited December 6, 2014 by FireChan
4merper4mer Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Marrone was handed this defense? I didn't realize it was so talented before he got here. I don't know what it was. Neither do you. Mike Williams was traded for a 6th round pick. 900 yard season, 700 yard season, 996 yard season. 23 TD's in 3 years. Sixth round pick. Sixth round pick. Explain that one please. 2 NFL regimes are thin-skinned cowards? Lovie hates funny T-shirts? Marrone was handed this defense.....by Whaley, Pettine, and Schwartz. He and his teenage puppet have been running the offense. How's it going?
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Marrone was handed this defense.....by Whaley, Pettine, and Schwartz. He and his teenage puppet have been running the offense. How's it going? Whaley doesn't hire the underlings of the HC. But thanks for playing. Can you explain why Mikey "the best WR who can turn this offense into top ten in the RZ but can't get on the field because he scratched Marrone's car" Williams was only worth a 6th rounder? Please?
GG Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) Whaley doesn't hire the underlings of the HC. But thanks for playing. Can you explain why Mikey "the best WR who can turn this offense into top ten in the RZ but can't get on the field because he scratched Marrone's car" Williams was only worth a 6th rounder? Please? Uhm, in this case Whaley did. The front office zeroed in on Schwartz as soon as it became apparent that Pettine was leaving. This was not a Marrone hire. PS - Pettine was also not Marrone's hire. Edited December 6, 2014 by GG
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Uhm, in this case Whaley did. The front office zeroed in on Schwartz as soon as it became apparent that Pettine was leaving. This was not a Marrone hire. PS - Pettine was also not Marrone's hire. All good coaches = Whaley. Bad coaches = Marrone. Got it.
4merper4mer Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 Whaley doesn't hire the underlings of the HC. But thanks for playing. Can you explain why Mikey "the best WR who can turn this offense into top ten in the RZ but can't get on the field because he scratched Marrone's car" Williams was only worth a 6th rounder? Please? If given infinity and a defense that allows 20 or less every game, how long would it take Marrone to win a Super Bowl? And I don't know the specifics on the trade but I know vets are traded for low picks a lot. Of course you know that too. Maybe it is a salary cap thing sometimes....lots of possibilities. Seattle got a decent running back on the cheap once. He is doing ok. Following your logic we should easily win Sunday because the other team's QB got cut which is even lower than a 6th rounder. If Williams was Marrone's only obvious lack of judgement it would be one thing. It is another when it is number 417. I have no problem that you inexplicably love Marrone but your arguments in support of him are very silly.
GG Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 All good coaches = Whaley. Bad coaches = Marrone. Got it. Marrone hired all offensive staff last year and didn't want to interview any holdovers from previous regime. Whaley, Marrone & Brandon put on a hard press to land Pettine. Pettine was given the leeway to hire his assistants. When it was clear Pettine was leaving, it wasn't Marone who leaped to the backup plan. Whaley was also big in luring Pepper to Buffalo. So if you want to boil it down to simple terms, yes Marrone's handling of the offensive side has been bad, and the assist he got from Whaley on the defensive side has been good. I've yet to see someone explain how Marrone bucked the trend of every Bills coach that his area of expertise is failing badly.
QCity Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 All good coaches = Whaley. Bad coaches = Marrone. Got it. Seriously. I know it's fashionable to kick Marrone around but give me a break. Marrone is in full control of who gets hired as his coordinators. The ink didn't dry on his contract yet and he hopped on a plane to NY to get Pettine. It was a great hire and he made another great hire with Schwartz. He's the CEO of the sidelines, this isn't Dallas. Mike Pettine reportedly hired by Buffalo Bills Marrone congratulates Pettine, has plan for replacement
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) If given infinity and a defense that allows 20 or less every game, how long would it take Marrone to win a Super Bowl? And I don't know the specifics on the trade but I know vets are traded for low picks a lot. Of course you know that too. Maybe it is a salary cap thing sometimes....lots of possibilities. Seattle got a decent running back on the cheap once. He is doing ok. Following your logic we should easily win Sunday because the other team's QB got cut which is even lower than a 6th rounder. If Williams was Marrone's only obvious lack of judgement it would be one thing. It is another when it is number 417. I have no problem that you inexplicably love Marrone but your arguments in support of him are very silly. Signing a huge free agent for $96 million is not the same as trading them for a 6th rounder. And it actually does prove my point. Why did Seattle get a low pick? Was it because the RB in question was a problem, and a risk? Why was Manning cut? Was it because his health was a risk? Do all risks work out? I'd say, if Marrone had that D consistently as in, they actually can do that against good teams, we'd win a Superbowl in 2 more years. I don't love Marrone. I just find it odd that this guy has been loved all last year, then he punts a couple times and now he's got to go. Seems kinda knee-jerky. Edited December 6, 2014 by FireChan
FireChan Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) Marrone hired all offensive staff last year and didn't want to interview any holdovers from previous regime. Whaley, Marrone & Brandon put on a hard press to land Pettine. Pettine was given the leeway to hire his assistants. When it was clear Pettine was leaving, it wasn't Marone who leaped to the backup plan. Whaley was also big in luring Pepper to Buffalo. So if you want to boil it down to simple terms, yes Marrone's handling of the offensive side has been bad, and the assist he got from Whaley on the defensive side has been good. I've yet to see someone explain how Marrone bucked the trend of every Bills coach that his area of expertise is failing badly. Source? And I contend that Chan had the luxury of A. Career years out of both his RB's. Yes, he gets credit for that, but it's not as though Freddy or Spiller had consistent good years with Chan. B. Playing absolute garbage opponents. The 2014 Bills have played 3 opponents with losing records. The 2011 Buffalo Bills played 6. The 2012 Buffalo Bills played 8!!!!! C. Garbage time. Oh Channy, racking up 14 extra points down 40 to the Jets? A quick 17 in the 4th down 50 to the Hawks? The Chan offense was not good. You can spout whatever stats will have you, it was gimmicky crap that could blow out hot opponents like the eventual 2-14 Chiefs, but the second they played a high ranking D, they folded like wet cardboard. Compared to how our offense has played against high ranked defenses, I'd take Marrone any day of the week facing a top 10 defense. So Marrone hasn't bucked the trend anymore than Chan did. Except Chan was lucky, in the sense his offense only failed a little less than his defense. Edited December 6, 2014 by FireChan
machine gun kelly Posted December 6, 2014 Posted December 6, 2014 The beginning of this thread was about Mike Williams. It still does not make sense he is not on the field. I'm not speculating as to why but there is some reason why he is not out there. He had four very good seasons in Tampa. A lot of comments are coming from people who never watched him. I've seen every game he has played living here, and it makes no sense why he is not playing. It is not as if he had some HOF QB making him look better like a Brady or Manning. He had Freeman. He has great leaping ability, and did not miraculously forget how to go up and grab it. That's not my opinion, it is simply his past performance. You would think with his (Marrone) job on the line, no matter what the issue he would put anyone in who can help them win. If the earlier post is accurate that all three WR are banged up, then it makes zero sense not to put him in as a starter.
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