Azalin Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Well I'm not sure if liberals are good or bad at math but I do know they're real bad at making money. To be fair, they're very good at spending it.
Chef Jim Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 To be fair, they're very good at spending it. other people's. Can't believe you missed that.
Azalin Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Can't believe you missed that. I thought the 'other people's' part was a given.
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Well I'm not sure if liberals are good or bad at math but I do know they're real bad at making money. I'm a Liberal and I'm good at making money. Heck, my stock in a certain very, very large "itech" company has more than doubled since I bought it. I'm way cool
keepthefaith Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'm a Liberal and I'm good at making money. Heck, my stock in a certain very, very large "itech" company has more than doubled since I bought it. I'm way cool Sell the stock and pay the taxes on the gain. Programs you support are underfunded. The government needs the money more than you do.
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'm a Liberal and I'm good at making money. Heck, my stock in a certain very, very large "itech" company has more than doubled since I bought it. I'm way cool Good for you but that's not what I meant. Every run a business? Be responsible for a profit and loss statement?
unbillievable Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 The comic book store owner needs to sell his yacht and stop hoarding the profit's. Make him pay his fair share!
DC Tom Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'm a Liberal and I'm good at making money. Heck, my stock in a certain very, very large "itech" company has more than doubled since I bought it. I'm way cool Apple made money, and you're taking credit for it. You are a liberal.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Well I'm not sure if liberals are good or bad at math but I do know they're real bad at making money. This is so true and very spot on! I was just going comment on it. All games are rigged to an extent. Of course institutions like banks don't want everybody to play by the same rules. You think the IRS wants to have the advantage swing the other way towards the taxpayer? LMAO! Why would labor NOT be exploited? Labor NEEDS to be exploited... Especially young, strong labor. Liberals because of their ideology are (well usually) extremely bad @ growing money... There is always something tugging @ their illogical heartstrings. I agree w/what you said a while back... Raise the min wage up to 25 bucks an hour and nobody will eat the crap food or buy unecessary consumer junk. Think people will then save money.... ?? Ha! Don't bet on it! I am all for a severe austerity movement. I'm a Liberal and I'm good at making money. Heck, my stock in a certain very, very large "itech" company has more than doubled since I bought it. I'm way cool Above, I said: USUALLY. I am lib... Wife even more... Boy can she spend money! ;-) Apple made money, and you're taking credit for it. You are a liberal. I am liberal, make money and the only credit taken for it is: "Living within your means." I guess that is "classic liberalism." ;-P
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I am liberal, make money and the only credit taken for it is: "Living within your means." I guess that is "classic liberalism." ;-P No that's actually a conservative tenet.
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 No that's actually a conservative tenet. bull sh it
Dorkington Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) I'm admittedly split in my thoughts on the subject... - I feel like minimum wage in any area needs to be enough to rent a low end 1 bedroom apartment, if working full time. Along with low end food, clothes, utilities/internet, and transportation. (what I consider modern basic needs) - The above differs greatly between areas... NYC and middle of nowhere Nebraska, or whatever, have much different needs, so a federal minimum wage that matches either of the extremes, or even somewhere in the middle of those two, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Ideally we'd have a federal minimum wage set at the low end, with some sort of mandate that if an area has a higher cost of living, the minimum wage in that county is higher. - The comic book store example is a bit misleading. It's a sort of store that is in danger of not existing no matter what the minimum wage is. Increasingly comic readers are turning digital. Comic book stores are going the way of music stores and video rental places. There's simply not enough physical media revenue for most to stay open, and they have to find another way to make money. Selling physical copies of comics is just not a long term business in the modern world. Not to mention that you can likely buy physical comics online and have them shipped direct as well. The other stuff? The apparel, the figures, the card games, etc? Can all be purchased online for cheaper than what a local independent store can offer. The only solution is to do community driven things to get the community dedicated to giving you business. Otherwise, doors shut. - That all being said, $15/hr is *rough* on small businesses, since they already have a hard time competing with big box retailers, and online services. They can't swallow the cost as easily, and there's no multimillionaire CEO to take a (relatively) small bonus cut. - Large corporations can handle a higher minimum wage in theory, considering what the wage gap is between executives and bottom feeders. There's no real solution to that gap, outside of regulation, and that's a slippery slope that'd enrage a good part of the country. I'd personally be comfortable with an earning ratio regulation, but I know I'm in the minority in this country. Also, I know executives/companies would find loopholes or ways around it, and it wouldn't really work in this current environment (where lobbyists practically write laws). All I know is, there's a lot of people at the bottom that can't provide for themselves even when they work full time, because the wages are much lower than the cost of living, its less a problem in rural areas, than it is in urban areas. I don't know what the solution is, it's a tough situation. My gf makes $10/hr, if she didn't live with me, there's no way she'd be able to afford to live in a 1 bedroom or a studio in the area at that wage. She'd either have to have multiple roommates, or move further away than it's worth. Edited May 13, 2015 by Dorkington
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 bull sh it I don't care if you don't believe it. It's true. I see it every day. My gf makes $10/hr, if she didn't live with me, there's no way she'd be able to afford to live in a 1 bedroom or a studio in the area at that wage. She'd either have to have multiple roommates, or move further away than it's worth. Or get a better paying or second or third job You forgot that last bit.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 No that's actually a conservative tenet. Sorry, I didn't get the memo. ;-P
Dorkington Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I don't care if you don't believe it. It's true. I see it every day. You forgot that last bit. Thanks for the advice
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Thanks for the advice You're welcome. Now pass it on to her. So are you really dating a 16 year old baby sitter?
Dorkington Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 You're welcome. Now pass it on to her. So are you really dating a 16 year old baby sitter? Nah, it's just the reality for some people, they don't have the same opportunities. She's capable of a lot, but since she doesn't have the right education, and she's not professionally networked here, she doesn't exactly get interviews for fancier things. I'd be in a similar boat if it weren't for some connections paying off and me taking advantage of them. Making a living wage really shouldn't be based on luck, not in a country with plenty of luxury and excess, imo.
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Nah, it's just the reality for some people, they don't have the same opportunities. She's capable of a lot, but since she doesn't have the right education, and she's not professionally networked here, she doesn't exactly get interviews for fancier things. I'd be in a similar boat if it weren't for some connections paying off and me taking advantage of them. Making a living wage really shouldn't be based on luck, not in a country with plenty of luxury and excess, imo. Who said making a living wage is based on luck? Unless of course you believe the saying luck is the intersection between preparation and opportunity. Edited May 13, 2015 by Chef Jim
Dante Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I'm admittedly split in my thoughts on the subject... - I feel like minimum wage in any area needs to be enough to rent a low end 1 bedroom apartment, if working full time. Along with low end food, clothes, utilities/internet, and transportation. (what I consider modern basic needs) - The above differs greatly between areas... NYC and middle of nowhere Nebraska, or whatever, have much different needs, so a federal minimum wage that matches either of the extremes, or even somewhere in the middle of those two, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Ideally we'd have a federal minimum wage set at the low end, with some sort of mandate that if an area has a higher cost of living, the minimum wage in that county is higher. - The comic book store example is a bit misleading. It's a sort of store that is in danger of not existing no matter what the minimum wage is. Increasingly comic readers are turning digital. Comic book stores are going the way of music stores and video rental places. There's simply not enough physical media revenue for most to stay open, and they have to find another way to make money. Selling physical copies of comics is just not a long term business in the modern world. Not to mention that you can likely buy physical comics online and have them shipped direct as well. The other stuff? The apparel, the figures, the card games, etc? Can all be purchased online for cheaper than what a local independent store can offer. The only solution is to do community driven things to get the community dedicated to giving you business. Otherwise, doors shut. - That all being said, $15/hr is *rough* on small businesses, since they already have a hard time competing with big box retailers, and online services. They can't swallow the cost as easily, and there's no multimillionaire CEO to take a (relatively) small bonus cut. All I know is, there's a lot of people at the bottom that can't provide for themselves even when they work full time, because the wages are much lower than the cost of living, its less a problem in rural areas, than it is in urban areas. I don't know what the solution is, it's a tough situation. My gf makes $10/hr, if she didn't live with me, there's no way she'd be able to afford to live in a 1 bedroom or a studio in the area at that wage. She'd either have to have multiple roommates, or move further away than it's worth. I think this is where the disconnect is. Why is it necessary for every job, no matter what the skill or difficulty level guarantee household total support? The jobs that the minimum wage is targeting should never be considered a primary income for a household or family. They are meant to be entry level. Personally I think the are invaluable for teaching basic work habits and responsibility. I also believe when you artificially inflate the wage it is kind of a trap for the employee. If you think about it by making that person comfortable in that position isn't there a possibility that they get stagnated? The motivation for learning a higher paying skill is gone They are happy to do the shite job for way to long. In turn hurting society as a whole. We will end up with a bunch of bots that are capable of not much.
DC Tom Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Who said making a living wage is based on luck? Liberals.
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