$15 Minimum Wage Battle Moves To Other Industries

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Vlad will be honored to receive all that data about American consumerism.

 

Ahhhh! The better to hack you with, Wendy my dear.

 

Think a little harder on this, please.

1) Vehicle registrations and licensing with be done away with? Seriously? State are going to simply walk away from tens of millions of dollars a year in fees. IDTS.

2) You think accidents won't happen? Seriously? Because technology is so awesomely reliable. Sure, it's great... when it works.

3) Every car, truck, SUV, and mini van will be electric? Seriously? Millions of people turning away from gas lawn mowers, leaf blowers, and edge trimmers too I suppose.

4) No car, truck, SUV, or mini van will ever speed? Seriously? The first after market conversion kits we be Apps for the iPhone and Androids that will override the speed governor.

 

1) There won't be need for licensing if no one is allowed to drive, and registrations can be done online, saving millions in labor cost.

2) google's automated car drove half a million miles with one accident...caused by a human who got nervous and took over the wheel.

3) Yes, eventually. And also, yes, eventually. Petroleum is going the way of the dinosaur.

4) You're not understanding. People won't own cars by and large any more, since it will be more cost-effective to share them.

[Just Jack]

And I recall seeing XP at a recent (within last year maybe) visit to Wendys

That may have been an older Wand or Xpiant system. Wendy's is forcing all their franchises to convert to Aloha, which runs on MS POSReady.

 

There is one Wendy's, I think it's near their headquarters in Ohio, that does not have the traditional counter to place your order anymore. It's all kiosk's, with one register hidden, in case someone is having difficulty with the kiosk, an employee can step in and take their order. When your order is ready it comes through a hole in the wall from the kitchen to a pickup area. I've seen pictures, I just don't have access to them.

[blzrul]

Whatever happened to vocational training in high schools? Somewhere along the line this country decided that career choices were so limited that you either went to college or you were a loser who was going to pump gas the rest of your life...until self-serve came along that is . Or, you could join the military and perhaps learn a trade that would transfer to civilian life.

 

But there are good-paying trade jobs out there. Welding is my personal favorite. $50+/hour. If you are an underwater welder you can live in cool places and make $125+ per hour. Why discourage people from learning a skill? Understand that wood shop in high school doesn't get you there but if kids are told their only choice to be "successful" is to go to a four-year college, we gonna get what we got. The assembly lines may get rid of the people through automation, but someone still has to build and maintain that equipment.

 

I started at a liberal arts school and dropped out when I realized I wasn't going to pay the bills by quoting Aristotle. I went to a vocational school for 15 months. THEN when I was working full-time I finished my Bachelor's and Master's degrees. Took me longer but in the long-run it was learning the basic skills that got me in the position beyond minimum wage. AND what was ridiculous - I COULD have learned some of those skills in high school in VoPro, except that I was supposed to be college-bound and VoPro, according to the conventional wisdom in those days, was only for kids who were too dumb or otherwise just destined for less prestigious lines of work.

Edited June 24, 2017 by blzrul

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Whatever happened to vocational training in high schools? Somewhere along the line this country decided that career choices were so limited that you either went to college or you were a loser who was going to pump gas the rest of your life...until self-serve came along that is . Or, you could join the military and perhaps learn a trade that would transfer to civilian life.

 

But there are good-paying trade jobs out there. Welding is my personal favorite. $50+/hour. If you are an underwater welder you can live in cool places and make $125+ per hour. Why discourage people from learning a skill? Understand that wood shop in high school doesn't get you there but if kids are told their only choice to be "successful" is to go to a four-year college, we gonna get what we got. The assembly lines may get rid of the people through automation, but someone still has to build and maintain that equipment.

 

I started at a liberal arts school and dropped out when I realized I wasn't going to pay the bills by quoting Aristotle. I went to a vocational school for 15 months. THEN when I was working full-time I finished my Bachelor's and Master's degrees. Took me longer but in the long-run it was learning the basic skills that got me in the position beyond minimum wage. AND what was ridiculous - I COULD have learned some of those skills in high school in VoPro, except that I was supposed to be college-bound and VoPro, according to the conventional wisdom in those days, was only for kids who were too dumb or otherwise just destined for less prestigious lines of work.

 

There's no shame in trade school in my book, it makes more sense.

 

But even THOSE jobs will be subject to automation.

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1) Vehicle registrations and licensing with be done away with? Seriously? State are going to simply walk away from tens of millions of dollars a year in fees. IDTS.

 

 

1) There won't be need for licensing if no one is allowed to drive, and registrations can be done online, saving millions in labor cost.

 

DMV's already allow vehicle registration online and the Virginia DMV offers a dollar off for doing so. The small discount is proof that vehicle registration fees are more of a revenue stream than to cover any related administrative costs.

 

But don't worry, if private ownership of vehicles disappear the states will start hitting the ride sharing organization for "fees" which will be rolled into the cost of their service

[Nanker]

4) You're not understanding. People won't own cars by and large any more, since it will be more cost-effective to share them.

 

You'll have to pry my cold dead hands off my Range Rover.

[boyst]

 

You'll have to pry my cold dead hands off my Range Rover.

you're more of a prius guy, like tom. don't lie

 

[GG]

 

 

4) You're not understanding. People won't own cars by and large any more, since it will be more cost-effective to share them.

 

Baloney. The stats you're probably referring to are invalid. Ride sharing proponents love to claim that cars are underutilized 97% of the time. That may be true in the aggregate, but the problem is that the 3% utilization is by everybody at the same time. So the cost-effectiveness of not owning a car goes out the window.

 

Ride sharing will have an impact on 2nd - 3rd card ownership rates in families, but they will not displace primary car ownership.

[IDBillzFan]

Whatever happened to vocational training in high schools?

 

I've watched Mike Rowe talk about this for a while now. Granted, I'm not one to take my career moves by an actor, but what you have is a guy who documented dirty jobs, and through that effort realized how many fulfilling career opportunities are missed because of belief that only college can set you free.

 

In truth, college grads earn way more than high school grads, but that factors in the high school grads with no desire to do anything other than grab a paycheck.

 

Perhaps part of the stigma, at least when I was growing up, was that vocational training meant BOCES, and every yearbook I ever saw had a photo of the BOCES crowd, and it looked a lot like Table 9 in the Wedding Singer. They were mocked frequently. But dig deeper, and who's laughing now?

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

Baloney. The stats you're probably referring to are invalid. Ride sharing proponents love to claim that cars are underutilized 97% of the time. That may be true in the aggregate, but the problem is that the 3% utilization is by everybody at the same time. So the cost-effectiveness of not owning a car goes out the window.

 

Ride sharing will have an impact on 2nd - 3rd card ownership rates in families, but they will not displace primary car ownership.

Ford motor company disagrees with you. See Barron's.

 

I've watched Mike Rowe talk about this for a while now. Granted, I'm not one to take my career moves by an actor, but what you have is a guy who documented dirty jobs, and through that effort realized how many fulfilling career opportunities are missed because of belief that only college can set you free.

 

In truth, college grads earn way more than high school grads, but that factors in the high school grads with no desire to do anything other than grab a paycheck.

 

Perhaps part of the stigma, at least when I was growing up, was that vocational training meant BOCES, and every yearbook I ever saw had a photo of the BOCES crowd, and it looked a lot like Table 9 in the Wedding Singer. They were mocked frequently. But dig deeper, and who's laughing now?

 

Exactly. The crowd at votech was ROUGH. But those guys pretty much grew up to be upstanding citizens. I wish I'd done it

[IDBillzFan]

Exactly. The crowd at votech was ROUGH. But those guys pretty much grew up to be upstanding citizens. I wish I'd done it

 

It was never pressed at the time, but I genuinely wish I would have even just taken some basic electrical classes. Even a rudimentary understanding would have saved me both money and injury in countless ways over my life.

 

But no. I couldn't hang with the BOCEs crowd. I was in theater, for crying out loud. I had a real career ahead of me.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

It was never pressed at the time, but I genuinely wish I would have even just taken some basic electrical classes. Even a rudimentary understanding would have saved me both money and injury in countless ways over my life.

 

But no. I couldn't hang with the BOCEs crowd. I was in theater, for crying out loud. I had a real career ahead of me.

My mom wanted me to go to tech. I wish I had

[Just Jack]

Friend of mine never went to college, went straight into the IBEW after school. Now he's a co-owner of a decent size electrical company easily making more than me, who went to college and due to the ebb and flow of IT based businesses has not worked for a company more than 6 years.

[IDBillzFan]

My mom wanted me to go to tech. I wish I had

 

I probably would have gone electrical if a thing like "dirty electricity" existed back in the 80s.

 

Granted, I would have been disappointed to find out 'dirty electricity' hae nothing to do with porn and Carmen Electra, but I could have at least made a lot of money scaring people into thinking their electrical waves are killing them.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Friend of mine never went to college, went straight into the IBEW after school. Now he's a co-owner of a decent size electrical company easily making more than me, who went to college and due to the ebb and flow of IT based businesses has not worked for a company more than 6 years.

I'm in the same boat if I knew then about it what I know now I'd never have gotten into it

[Nanker]

My son went to college right out of high school, but it just wasn't for him. He became an electrician and is doing quite well for himself.

[DC Tom]

 

I've watched Mike Rowe talk about this for a while now. Granted, I'm not one to take my career moves by an actor, but what you have is a guy who documented dirty jobs, and through that effort realized how many fulfilling career opportunities are missed because of belief that only college can set you free.

 

He might be "an actor," but I've heard his testimony to Congress on the subject, and he's very well-informed and rational on the subject. His foundation is probably better than anything to come out of Congress in twenty years.

 

I've also heard one of the Deadliest Catch captains testify to Congress on fisheries management (forget his name, he's captain of the Wizard). He was fiercely smart on the topic, moreso than you'd even expect from a fishing captain (oceanographer-level smart). It's surprising how knowledgeable some of Discovery Network's talent actually is.

 

 

But no. I couldn't hang with the BOCEs crowd. I was in theater, for crying out loud. I had a real career ahead of me.

 

You know...that's Mike Rowe's background? He was a professional opera singer with the Baltimore Opera Company.

[GG]

Ford motor company disagrees with you. See Barron's.

 

 

If Ford is saying that for the Barrons crowd, it means they're full of crap. They're just talking bull **** to get their valuation up by hitting the right buzzwords and make it seem that they're not dinosaurs.

 

But in reality, they do not subscribe to the theory that people won't own cars in the future.

You know...that's Mike Rowe's background? He was a professional opera singer with the Baltimore Opera Company.

And then a QVC pitchman.

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And then a QVC pitchman.

And he hosted a show on the History© Channel, back in the brief period in the history of the History® Channel when the History© Channel had shows about history

[Nanker]

Not only that but according to IMDB, he was the writer and did the voice over for the 2000 TV commercial "The Spineless Wonder Bonder for deboning fish"

 

He's an amazing man of many talents.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Nanker