PromoTheRobot Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 What I'd be willing to give up has nothing to do with Kaep. It's about the qb position. What would an average qb do for this roster immediately? So would I give up on 10 players, who aren't on the roster, who only have a 40% chance of making the team and 20% chance of staying on the team for 10 years? Yes, yes I would. We can't keep playing the qb hunting game. It's been 20 years. So if we did something that extreme to fix that problem finally and basically guarantee us the playoffs for the next few years....I'd be good. I'd also do this for any mid tier qb. They are that hard to find. At least for us For Luck, I'd give my next three drafts away. Crazy? I bet the colts would still say no. When you point to a team that succeeded after making a trade like that, I'll sign off on it.
Wazzu Bill Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 It amazes me how many times reporters spread rumors based on zero facts, then how much people buy into it... Teams don't trade away their franchise quarterbacks. Period. It doesn't matter if they are a good player or not, if they have gotten you to the playoffs repeatedly, you don't sell them. Let's see how many QBs have had trade rumors this off season...off the top of my head - Brees, Cutler, Rivers, even Russel Wilson for over apparent contract disagreement. Kaep isn't going anywhere
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Romo and Rodgers had two and three years respectively to learn the NFL game on the bench before starting. Brees took four years for the light to come on. We get that you don't think it will ever happen for Manuel, but the guys you listed were either never asked to perform before they were ready or the QB was able to perform badly for a couple of years in the starting role until he got it. Not really fair comparisons considering EJ is going into his third year. If anything, one could argue that Manuel should be given more time because those three QBs took time to develop into the star QBs they became. Bouncing off of your point, Brees actually was asked to step up before he was fully baked. It resulted in his team going in a different direction and parting with one of the most prolific passers in NFL history.
Fadingpain Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Let's say you run the Bills and you get 2 choices: you can keep the team we have now with no real QB, or you give the entire team away but get Andrew Luck for the rest of his career, along with "fill in" players to make up the other roster spots now. You of course can also continue to draft and use free agency and any other traditional means to improve the roster as time goes forward, with either choice. Which do you take?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Let's say you run the Bills and you get 2 choices: you can keep the team we have now with no real QB, or you give the entire team away but get Andrew Luck for the rest of his career, along with "fill in" players to make up the other roster spots now. You of course can also continue to draft and use free agency and any other traditional means to improve the roster as time goes forward, with either choice. Which do you take? I'd like to see how our team performs as currently constructed before I answer this question.
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I don't think Roman would have an interest in coaching Karpernick again.
reddogblitz Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 I don't think Roman would have an interest in coaching Karpernick again. What makes you think that?
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 What makes you think that?Source deep within -ha Let's just say Ck is limited, inconsistent, increasingly reluctant to accept critical coaching, and was enabled by JH - and it made effective schemes/game planning difficult. Ck is/was still a "project" as a starting NFL Qb - but he doesn't see himself that way.
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Source deep within -ha Let's just say Ck is limited, inconsistent, increasingly reluctant to accept critical coaching, and was enabled by JH - and it made effective schemes/game planning difficult. Ck is/was still a "project" as a starting NFL Qb - but he doesn't see himself that way. Projects that help their team make the SB / conference finals are fairly advanced projects.
YoloinOhio Posted May 17, 2015 Posted May 17, 2015 Projects that help their team make the SB / conference finals are fairly advanced projects.just telling you what I heard
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 just telling you what I heard I heard that Cassel is a back-up & EJ is a goner, so who's left but an untested QB ?
YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I heard that Cassel is a back-up & EJ is a goner, so who's left but an untested QB ?ummm I was just responding to reddog...
reddogblitz Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 ummm I was just responding to reddog... And thanks for that Yolo. I'm not as worried about our QB position as many here it seems. And a long way to go. Things can happen.
YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 And thanks for that Yolo. I'm not as worried about our QB position as many here it seems. And a long way to go. Things can happen. i agree with everyone who says CK is a better QB than anyone we have, but there are some issues that, I believe, if GR was part of the decision making process on a potential trade, that he would be a dissenter. CK has a lot of talent but still far from the stable leader teams prefer to have running the show.
Gordio Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Who in the hell is their QB in waiting that makes Kaep expendable? Blaine Gabbert? Or are the just in tank mode? Weird. I'd give up a conditional 5th that could become a 4th for him. I would give the 49ers every one of our draft picks next year for Kaep. Yeah Yeah I know he struggled last year. I got the sense that organization had a bunch of problems going on right from the top with the power struggle between coach & GM. Kaep is a special talent. Need to alter the offense for him but you put him on this team & we are the super bowl favorite going into September. Edited May 18, 2015 by Gordio
K-9 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) I would give the 49ers every one of our draft picks next year for Kaep. Yeah Yeah I know he struggled last year. I got the sense that organization had a bunch of problems going on right from the top with the power struggle between coach & GM. Kaep is a special talent. Need to alter the offense for him but you put him on this team & we are the super bowl favorite going into September. They struggled mightily in large part due to Kaepernick's regression, the other organizational dysfunction notwithstanding. As is the case with most young QBs, defenses figured him out and made it a point to force him to beat them from the pocket. He's just not a polished pocket passer at this point. And he'll have to be if, like all good QBs, he wants a long career as a starter. GO BILLS!!! Edited May 18, 2015 by K-9
Rob's House Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Personally, I'd rather go with Manuel than Kaepernick, and I'm not that optimistic about EJ. I think Keep probably gives you a little more right out the gate, but I see him as a RB with a killer fastball more than a QB with wheels. EJ at least has more than one pitch.
FireChan Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Personally, I'd rather go with Manuel than Kaepernick, and I'm not that optimistic about EJ. I think Keep probably gives you a little more right out the gate, but I see him as a RB with a killer fastball more than a QB with wheels. EJ at least has more than one pitch. The only problem is that it's this one. Edited May 18, 2015 by FireChan
GunnerBill Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) There are too many people on here who believe that get a Quarterback who has been to the play-offs and gone deep in the play-offs before and it is the answer to getting this team into the play-offs for evermore. It isn't. If the guy you are talking about is Brady, or Manning, or Rodgers or maybe even Brees then maybe but it isn't. Let's look at some established veteran guys who it could be argued are in the "second tier" of NFL Quarterbacks.... Big Ben has been to play offs once in 3 years and hasn't won a play-off game since the 2010 AFC Championship. Rivers has been to the play-offs once in 5 years. Romo has been once in 5 years too. Eli Manning has been to the post-season once in 6 years (and won the whole show on that occasion). None of those guys are a guarantee and do you know why they are not - because they play on big money deals that make keeping the rest of the roster strong difficult. Now let's apply the logic to Kap. He went to the play-offs 3 times in the first three years he started (his 2nd, 3rd and 4th year) on a cheap deal and a pretty loaded team. He got his big deal the team lost some depth, especially in the defensive backfield and had some other issues and he didn't make it to the play-offs last year. Saying "oh but he had great stats in that time" is irrelevant. Jake Delhomme had pretty good stats his first years in Carolina - he took them to the play-offs twice in that period including a Superbowl loss and had good stats in the play-offs. He was not the long term answer in Carolina and he wasn't the saviour in Cleveland either. So to me the money you are paying Kap ($19million a year) makes it difficult to keep the rest of your roster as stacked and only the true greats cover over those cracks year in and year out - even the Hall of Very Good players such as those named above are not able to do it every year and I don't think Kap is in that company. Edited May 19, 2015 by GunnerBill
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