finn Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 This defense, with this coordinator and this personnel, may be the best the Bills have ever had, maybe one of the best the NFL has seen in recent years. This view might be a consensus if they didn't have one of the worst offenses the Bills have ever fielded. With a competent offense (and coordinator) doing its part--making third downs, scoring in the red zone, giving the defense a rest and a lead so they could really be aggressive--these Bills would be ranked with the '85 Bears. The line, the linebackers, the safeties are all excellent, and the corners are above average. Am I wrong?
Buftex Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Love they way they play, but I don't think it is the best defense in Bills history, let alone in recent NFL history. Of course, part of that is becasue the rules have changed so much in recent years, that defending the pass is almost impossible... while they are certainly very, very good, not sure they are as good as the Ravens defenses from their Super Bowl seasons. They certainly can turn it on when they want to..but to be one of the very best of all-time, in my book, they would have to eliminate some of the lapses they have game in game out. Every team has them, true...I would say the only game they dominated this season, from start to finish, was the Jets game in Detroit.
K-9 Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 No. '64 and '65 defenses, hands down. GO BILLS!!!
QB Bills Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Yes, I think you're wrong. They've only gone up against two really good QBs and they didn't look good either time. Both at home. Having said that, three of their next four are against elite QBs. We'll see how they do.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Love they way they play, but I don't think it is the best defense in Bills history, let alone in recent NFL history. Of course, part of that is becasue the rules have changed so much in recent years, that defending the pass is almost impossible... while they are certainly very, very good, not sure they are as good as the Ravens defenses from their Super Bowl seasons. They certainly can turn it on when they want to..but to be one of the very best of all-time, in my book, they would have to eliminate some of the lapses they have game in game out. Every team has them, true...I would say the only game they dominated this season, from start to finish, was the Jets game in Detroit. The Bills '99 D was pretty nasty! The 64-65 AFL Championship defensive teams were lights out.
PromoTheRobot Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 I've closely followed the Bills since 1966 and I think this defense is one of the best in team history.
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) I think they're the best defense in the franchise's history. They're better than our 2004 defense and our defense of the Superbowl years imo. I don't know much about the 64-65 team so I can't compare. Edited December 2, 2014 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Give me a call on the 2014 D as the best in franchise history when they shut down an offense led by Rodgers, Manning, or Brady. Until then, the answer is NO for me.
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What defense has this franchise had that shut down Rodgers, Brady, and Manning?
K-9 Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 I think they're the best defense in the franchise's history. They're better than our 2004 defense and our defense of the Superbowl years imo. I don't know much about the 64-65 team so I can't compare. Then take it from those that do. While this defense can pressure the QB with their front 4, it's not a dominant, shut down defense that's guaranteed to get you a stop when you absolutely need it. And until we shut down a truly good QB, I won't be convinced otherwise. The '64 and '65 defenses were absolutely dominant in every phase. GO BILLS!!!
eball Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Need to beat the best before you can be considered the best. They will have their chance beginning this Sunday.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What defense has this franchise had that shut down Rodgers, Brady, and Manning? The 2014 D not only didn't shut down Brady, but they allowed the Patsies to score on every 2nd half possession. They had no answer. They haven't faced Manning and Rodgers yet, but of course we'll see how they fare in the next two weeks.
Jerry Jabber Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 This defense, with this coordinator and this personnel, may be the best the Bills have ever had, maybe one of the best the NFL has seen in recent years. This view might be a consensus if they didn't have one of the worst offenses the Bills have ever fielded. With a competent offense (and coordinator) doing its part--making third downs, scoring in the red zone, giving the defense a rest and a lead so they could really be aggressive--these Bills would be ranked with the '85 Bears. The line, the linebackers, the safeties are all excellent, and the corners are above average. Am I wrong? Yes, but I love the enthusiasm. The Bills D in 98-99 was very dominant. I can't say how well the D was during the AFL Chsmpionship days as I wasn't around for that.
1B4IDie Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 This defense, with this coordinator and this personnel, may be the best the Bills have ever had, maybe one of the best the NFL has seen in recent years. This view might be a consensus if they didn't have one of the worst offenses the Bills have ever fielded. With a competent offense (and coordinator) doing its part--making third downs, scoring in the red zone, giving the defense a rest and a lead so they could really be aggressive--these Bills would be ranked with the '85 Bears. The line, the linebackers, the safeties are all excellent, and the corners are above average. Am I wrong? Let's talk after Manning, Rodgers, Brady.
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 The 2014 D not only didn't shut down Brady, but they allowed the Patsies to score on every 2nd half possession. They had no answer. They haven't faced Manning and Rodgers yet, but of course we'll see how they fare in the next two weeks. What I was asking was, why does the defense have to shut down those 3 QBs to be the best defense we've ever had? What other Bills defense could shut down those 3 QBs?
TheLynchTrain Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Let's talk after Manning, Rodgers, Brady. Exactly. I love the enthusiasm, but let's see how they shake out after playing three of the best QBs the last decade. Granted, those three seem to neutralize great defenses on a weekly basis, but if they're really the best, lets see them go up against the best.
papazoid Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 BEST D-LINE in bills history. average LB's average secondary.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 I don't know if it's the best ever, but it's certainly in the conversation, as I can't name a single Bills defense that was obviously better.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What I was asking was, why does the defense have to shut down those 3 QBs to be the best defense we've ever had? What other Bills defense could shut down those 3 QBs? This season, I believe that only the Bills and Dolphins will play against all three of them.
TheLynchTrain Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What I was asking was, why does the defense have to shut down those 3 QBs to be the best defense we've ever had? What other Bills defense could shut down those 3 QBs? Why shouldn't they? If they're really the best, they should play and beat the best. Isn't that how it works? It's definitely a very tall order. I get these three are probably right up there in the top 3-5-7 QBs ever, and with rule changes, preparation, etc its tough to compare eras. But there's always been great QBs, and Bills defenses in the past have had to play them. At this point, I hate to say it, but I'm not convinced we have it in us to play well against elite QBs. Fourteen years is a B word.
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