PromoTheRobot Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) WGR was discussing Whaley's tenure at GM this morning, citing his "failure" in addressing the QB situation as his biggest black mark. Yet no one who chastises Whaley can say who should be QB for the Bills, only that what we have isn't good enough. I say there is no QB that was available in the last two drafts our available in free agency that would meet the standard of play we are demanding at QB. Sure there are plenty of QBs that you might think are good, or who might be good eventually. But there is no QB in the last two years who was available to Whaley that is franchise caliber. So does out even make sense to complain about the QB situation when there wasn't a realistic option? It's like being wrong on a test where all the answers are wrong. Edited December 1, 2014 by PromoTheRobot
Dorkington Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 I'm actually curious to see a list of QBs available to us since 2013, it'd be interesting to go through and see if we can find better than what KO/EJ has done. Not saying that KO/EJ is the answer, just seems like there hasn't been a whole lot better.
prissythecat Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Manziel is a BB favored QB and was available to us during last years draft. Imagine the highlight reels we would have.
Captain Hindsight Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Clearly we missed on Landry Jones And Jimmy Clausen was available this year
PromoTheRobot Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 Manziel is a BB favored QB and was available to us during last years draft. Imagine the highlight reels we would have. Wins or highlights?
Dorkington Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Manziel lucked out of two turnovers in two drives yesterday, but he's the crown of ESPN today. !@#$ing nuts.
prissythecat Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Wins or highlights? Perhaps both. But mainly highlights right now. Didn't everyone love Manziel doing the "money " gesture after scoring? Or how about how he flopped in end zone after fumbling and being bowled over by Kyle?
LB3 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Whaley really blew it when he didn't do everything in his power to try and sign Mattarvaris Jacksflynn! Fire Whaley!
Lofton80 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 If Giants start a rebuild, Eli might be available.
gobillsinytown Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 You would think that with the league being more passing oriented that the QBs coming out of college would be able to adapt to the pro game better. But so far, the ratio of QB draft hits to misses has remained about the same. The only difference that I see at this point is in the amount of hype surrounding them. It would definitely be interesting to look at the list of QBs drafted in, say, the last four years and see how many are still playing.
K-9 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) You would think that with the league being more passing oriented that the QBs coming out of college would be able to adapt to the pro game better. But so far, the ratio of QB draft hits to misses has remained about the same. The only difference that I see at this point is in the amount of hype surrounding them. It would definitely be interesting to look at the list of QBs drafted in, say, the last four years and see how many are still playing. I don't think that at all. College defenses are Pop Warner caliber compared to what these QBs see in the NFL. It's great that they can understand passing concepts, but it's still the rarest thing in pro sports for a rookie QB to excel in the NFL right off the bat. Mariotta, this year's flavor of the month will be the next over-hyped college wonder to find that out. GO BILLS!!! Edited December 1, 2014 by K-9
JohnC Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 WGR was discussing Whaley's tenure at GM this morning, citing his "failure" in addressing the QB situation as his biggest black mark. Yet no one who chastises Whaley can say who should be QB for the Bills, only that what we have isn't good enough. I say there is no QB that was available in the last two drafts our available in free agency that would meet the standard of play we are demanding at QB. Sure there are plenty of QBs that you might think are good, or who might be good eventually. But there is no QB in the last two years who was available to Whaley that is franchise caliber. So does out even make sense to complain about the QB situation when there wasn't a realistic option? It's like being wrong on a test where all the answers are wrong. If you can't come up with a legitimate franchise qb in a generatiion from the draft or from the market then your organization is a failure. Russell Wilson was available in the third round but Buddy preferred a track receiver. Just because you can't come up with an elite qb that doesn't excuse you from not coming up with a legitimate franchise qb. Excuses don't resolve problems they perpetuate them
Captain Hindsight Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 If Giants start a rebuild, Eli might be available. They would be awfully dumb to do that IMO Its more the price of not having a QB. Eli has won two super bowls, he's a good QB
PromoTheRobot Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 If you can't come up with a legitimate franchise qb in a generatiion from the draft or from the market then your organization is a failure. Russell Wilson was available in the third round but Buddy preferred a track receiver. Just because you can't come up with an elite qb that doesn't excuse you from not coming up with a legitimate franchise qb. Excuses don't resolve problems they perpetuate them So who would you pick?
prissythecat Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 They would be awfully dumb to do that IMO Its more the price of not having a QB. Eli has won two super bowls, he's a good QB So if Eli won those Superbowls all by himself, why have the Giants been so awful the past few seasons? Or is it because the team around the QB counts as well?
JohnC Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 So who would you pick? There were plenty of reasonable picks that would have stabilized the position compared to where it now stands. Russell Wilson, Foles, Dalton, Kaepernick, Alex Smith was on the market. If you are not in a position to get an elite prospect then go a little farther down the ladder and get someone who can still be a legitimae starter. Investing in Fitz was a losing proposition from the start because he was, and will always be, a decent backup.
PromoTheRobot Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) There were plenty of reasonable picks that would have stabilized the position compared to where it now stands. Russell Wilson, Foles, Dalton, Kaepernick, Alex Smith was on the market. If you are not in a position to get an elite prospect then go a little farther down the ladder and get someone who can still be a legitimae starter. Investing in Fitz was a losing proposition from the start because he was, and will always be, a decent backup. All of those QBs were available before 2013. I'm making the point there was no one since Whaley was made GM, or since the 2013 draft. Fitz was gone before Whaley was GM. Also are you saying better than Orton/EJ or franchise quality? Edited December 1, 2014 by PromoTheRobot
4merper4mer Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) When I look at what Whaley has done I'd say he has missed in three areas from a player perspective, whether it be draft or FA: QB OG TE At QB I think the OP's point is well taken. Whaley took a shot at least with EJ. All the pundits had Geno as the top QB that year. Whaley passed on him...good. Could he have waited another year and taken Bortles? Maybe. That would be about it and is far from a sure thing. I don't see FA's out there doing anything. At OG it is hard to tell if he whiffed in the draft, things will take time, or it is simply a meter of poor coaching. Some of this could be on Whaley. I view TE as similar to QB in that we don't know what was really there. He did say he liked Ebron.....meh. I'll take Sammy. Given that there are only 3 positions where questions remain on our roster I would say Whaley deserves a ton of credit. It is too bad that one of the three is QB. The big question about Whaley is what hand did he truly have in hiring this abomination of a coach. Was it Buddy? Was it the purse strings? Was it Whaley? It is like the reverse of that famous quote from Parcells. Whaley can get the best ingredients in the world, but if he hires a chef from Burger King, the restaurant is going to flop. Edited December 1, 2014 by 4merper4mer
JohnC Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 So who would you pick? I'm a Russell Wilson fan. Although he is a small-statured player he knows how to play. For a young player he has the maturity of a veteran. Buddy usually preferred bigger players regardless of position when selecting players. Missing on Wilson set this franchise back. Kaepernick and Dalton would have been reasonable selections. The bottom-line is if you haven't been in the playoffs for 15 consecutive years and have had a losing record in 9 out of 10 years then you have run out of excuses. It's one thing to not hit on a prospect and it is worse not to repeatedly try to address that position in a meaningful way.
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