PO'14 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 He wasn't on anyone in particular. The Bills played zone most of the game. Whomever lined up on gilmore's side on any particular play is who he guarded, until he sometimes passed them off to someone else playing zone. On a smaller percentage of the plays they played man, but he still just started on his side of the field, which was usually the right. Agree fully. And when the ball was passed towards GIlmore, it usually was a reception! Have a great night big boy. Traveling to the beach tomorrow. GO BIlls!
BuffaloBorn1960 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Agreed; he is very solid. I thought he was a natural in that cover 2 we were playing. Ironically, he made more plays today than I have seen donte whitner ever make in his entire career. Donte who?
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Anyone complaining about Gilmore is flat out dumb. Gordon was the leading wr in the NFL last year and one of the most explosive players in the NFL. He held him to 70 yards and 10 yards/ catch. But no cornerback gives up plays. Patrick Patterson didn't give up any plays to Jones today. I guess he sucks now. Gilmore would get a monster deal if he was a free agent. The only people who don't appreciate him are Bills fans with an axe to grind.
NoSaint Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Agreed; he is very solid. I thought he was a natural in that cover 2 we were playing. Ironically, he made more plays today than I have seen donte whitner ever make in his entire career. I was excited about the kid when drafted but started to write him off-- he's come along nicely though. Valuable mid round pick. Edited December 1, 2014 by NoSaint
Big Turk Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Gilmore was awful because he "let" one of the best receivers in football get 75 yards? I don't know how you can look at that performance and say any one player on the defense had a bad game. Everyone did their part and we dominated that offense. How often do any of the Bills DBs get beat deep? Can we remember the last time a QB completed a pass that traveled more than 30 yards in the air? Maybe the New England game? They keep the WRs in front of them and make the tackle, limiting them to short gains for the most part. Yeah they might give up some completions, but over the course of a game, that D-Line is going to get its share of pressure and force the ball out
BuffaninATL Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 ....or "Orton never looks downfield for him." not to mention, Orton flat out threw 2-3 awful passes to him, like the one where Sammy shook Haden for a critical red zone attempt and Orton threw it at his shoestrings ....or "Orton never looks downfield for him." not to mention, Orton flat out threw 2-3 awful passes to him, like the one where Sammy shook Haden for a critical red zone attempt and Orton threw it at his shoestrings...
SectionC3 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Welcome Back Bill, good to see the "a few thoughts" post again. This years team has a championship defense no question in my view, and my fear is will they lose Schwartz after the season. In regards to Sammy, from what I see he is full practice, and only listed as probable just like Fred Jackson. I doubt his injury is that big an issue anymore. My take is its the coaches inability to get the kid in space just like Spiller, and he is a player the team gave up 3 draft picks for so this offensive coaching staff can use him as a decoy. I feel its not just the offensive game planning or scheming at fault. I feel the O line is also regressing due to bad coaching. I think a change to the offensive side of the ball in coaching to quality experienced NFL assistants would be as dramatic to the offense as Schwartz has been to the defense vs George Edwards / Dave Wannstedt. Gotta love the win, Go Buffalo! I agree on the inability of the staff to get sammy the ball. I also think sammy isn't quite right yet. I don't know how things looked on TV, but watching him walk around between plays led me to believe he's still a little bit ginger. Not that this is our problem, but the Browns have a tough decision on hoyer. The guy is a gamer but, at least from what i saw today, he's not a guy who is going to drive the ball down field. His first half was vaguely reminiscent of Andy dalton's game here last year.m dalton threw for 300 yards and was highly efficient on mostly safe stuff that stretched the field aside to side. I think he threw downfield nor more than a few times, and hiyer has some similar qualities.
BuffaninATL Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 sorry, didn't mean to go get the papers get the papers.....
Jkgobills Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Welcome back Bill, thank you for your thoughts! It's hard for me to fully judge Gilmore's play from watching on television and the limited view of field. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who was at the game. Better yet, maybe an All 22 Breakdown? Last week, Sammy Watkins dropped 2 balls that were already on the way when he came out of his break. Does he have trouble tracking a ball when he can't see it leave the QB's hand? Did last week influence his targets this week? But all is well, we have thoughts back and the Bills won!
boyst Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Thanks, Bill! Glad to see you back! The defensive package changed in the 2nd half - at least the little bit I watched. I think they came out expecting Cleveland to just burn the Bills on long plays back to back to back. I was amazed they didn't but it was probably better since Hoyer was very effective slicing and dicing. One Schwartz got adjusted in the second half it was night/day. The first half was simply even pressure from the front four and letting the Browns come to us. The second half was more aggressive after Hoyer and spreading the LB's out to account for the space with DB's up in coverage. Schwartz needs to get a lot of credit for this game. His adjustments on D were the difference! On offense it should be noted how close the Browns were playing us at the LOS. That we did not try to go over the top was amazing. I can't believe it took so long to pick on their safeties. I was perfectly fine not throwing at Haden because we had many other options available like Bob Woods and Mark Grade? Marvcuss Grate? Marcellus Grut? But, I would have been perfectly fine with throwing at him because I think he is overrated. Oh well, at least Browns fans can still pump their chest out that he's all that. He's really not. The rest of the D is just much worse then he is and I cannot understand why they are ranked so high at pass defense.
Saxum Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 I just have to say Pears Sucks with a capital S. They can't get one yard with Pears flopping around on the ground. Cujowhateverhisname must be really bad if he can't take this guys job. I beginning to really question Woods too. They can't run with these guys. I love this D but the lack of a running game is going to do them in. I can't believe they won and only converted one third down. Is that right? Believe they would have gotten several 3rd downs except for penalty on Browns but yes on their own only one.
Freddie's Dead Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 1) LB's on this team are just sick. Can't wait to see these guys with Kiko. 2) Jim Leonhard is a baller. Short slow white guy just keeps making plays. 3) Gilmore played soft all day. I saw him play 10 yards off Gordon on a 3rd and 6, Gordon goes to the sticks and catches the easy first down. Bad day for Stephon. 5) Got some things to talk about on The Stadium Wall at twobillsdrive. 7) Da'Norris is Da'Bomb. Major baller. 10) MarQueis (that's not a name, sheesh) should have trucked Leonhard both times. I do not like that we have a tight end who kittied his way out of bounds both times when there were yards to be had. 11) Hughe$$$$$$ (can't take credit, saw that elsewhere here), and the holding going on by CLE was just ridiculous. Please, no more Freddie "punt catching". He muffed the punt today, twice on the year. No credit to Marrone for going for it on 4th down today? Fred was interfered with by a Browns player, no call. Meh.
Pete Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Welcome back Bill! I always enjoy reading your observations. I am grateful that all is alright. Cheers my friend
truth on hold Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 - Watkins is not hurt, they wouldn't be running reverses to him if he were. Defenses have figured out not to jam him at the line as his best asset is upper body strength. They play him soft and dare Bills to throw it up for jump ball with the DB, and Sammy simply doesnt have the vertical to pull it off. They need to find a different way to get him open - Bills offense lost it's spark and explosiveness when Spiller went out -- it's never been the same (the games where they scored points since ... Jets 2x and Browns was all due to defense). Bryce Brown is not anywhere near the same big play threat and cant draw defenders attention away from the WRs like Spiller - Gilmore is fine, don't people realize he lines up where the coaches tell him? Geesh - Bills need Dareus back and healthy next week to stop the run and create interior pressure on Manning, to force him to move out of the pocket
Maury Ballstein Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 - Watkins is not hurt, they wouldn't be running reverses to him if he were. Defenses have figured out not to jam him at the line as his best asset is upper body strength. They play him soft and dare Bills to throw it up for jump ball with the DB, and Sammy simply doesnt have the vertical to pull it off. They need to find a different way to get him open - Bills offense lost it's spark and explosiveness when Spiller went out -- it's never been the same (the games where they scored points since ... Jets 2x and Browns was all due to defense). Bryce Brown is not anywhere near the same big play threat and cant draw defenders attention away from the WRs like Spiller Funny stuff on Watkins. He's definetly not 100 percent. Agree on Spiller, Bryce Brown is trash.
thewildrabbit Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Funny stuff on Watkins. He's definetly not 100 percent. Agree on Spiller, Bryce Brown is trash. While I agree that Sammy might not be 100%, he wouldn't be practicing at all if it were still a real problem. If it were that bad the trainers wouldn't even let him practice / play due to re injuring the same area. Those injuries tend to linger over the season, and Freddy's was far more severe (3rd degree) as he actually tore the muscle. Four to six weeks is the usual time frame for recovery, and he injured it right before the first Jets game 5 weeks ago. From my perspective its that since that breakout game against the Jets (3 receptions for 157 yards) is that he is considered the teams true #1 WR, and will continue to see coverage's rolled to him, and the opponents best DB on him. Then I think the current coaching staff hasn't got the first clue on how to get Sammy the ball while he is seeing so much coverage. So, be prepared to see him continually be used as a decoy.
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Anyone complaining about Gilmore is flat out dumb. Gordon was the leading wr in the NFL last year and one of the most explosive players in the NFL. He held him to 70 yards and 10 yards/ catch. But no cornerback gives up plays. Patrick Patterson didn't give up any plays to Jones today. I guess he sucks now. Gilmore would get a monster deal if he was a free agent. The only people who don't appreciate him are Bills fans with an axe to grind. you do understand that Gilmore did not cover gordon the entire game right. So stop throwing that out there. Peterson has been good all season Gilmore has not. I don't have an axe to grind. I call it as I see it. I was happy when we drafted him and I am happy he is on our team. I just don't blindly give people credit for things they didn't do. Don't just regurgitate the Homer things wgr says. Gilmore even says he hasn't been playing as good as he is capable of. The end of his rookie year he was playing lights out. He hasn't been the same since. He has good plays here and there but he needs more consistency. Again I don't know if we are using him wrong as he is a press man corner and we were playing a lot of zone or what the only people that can say for sure aren't on this board and we can only speculate.
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Gilmore is the 30th ranked corner in the nfl
GunnerBill Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Gilmore is the 30th ranked corner in the nfl Which is what? Just above middle of the pack? I think Gilmore is a good player who a lot of Bills fans beat up unfairly, however,he has not justified his status as a top 10 draft pick. If we had picked him in the 2nd or 3rd I think he'd be seen differently.
thebandit27 Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Gilmore is the 30th ranked corner in the nfl According to an analytics site? Thanks, but I'll trust my eyes. He's the team's best DB by a country mile. By far his biggest weakness is lack of ball skills (or perhaps, it could be more accurately stated that he fails to make a play on the football). Beyond that, he plays his assignment to a tee, he's aggressive, he's physical, and he's consistent. He's not a shutdown corner, but then again, nobody is...not even Richard Sherman. I watched Jordy Nelson smoke Darrelle Revis yesterday on more than one occasion. Gilmore is a top 15 CB in the NFL at a minimum. If he develops better ball skills and hones in on his ball awareness he'll be a top 5 guy; his physical ability is off the charts. Let's remember that the defense allowed 10 points yesterday, 7 of which came on a drive where the backup DL played every snap. This witch hunt on Gilmore is crazy IMO when put in proper perspective. I look to Bill (the OP) as a great example. He's never been a fan of the Gilmore pick, and has been outspoken about his general dislike for Gilmore's play. If he's able to view it objectively and compliment him, that should tell folks a lot.
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