rfk Posted November 30, 2014 Author Posted November 30, 2014 all i know is that if i were an exceptional athlete in high school.and seeing whats going on .id be thinking about some other sport than football to pay the bills..
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) Obvious two choices, better gear or reduction of violent impacts in the game significantly changing its broad appeal. For those saying give em leather heads, rugby and soccer have produced cte too. Another option is to put sensors in the helmets, measure cumulative forces and cap a players exposure provided they can correlate force and damage. But this could lead to targeting and lawsuits too. See none of these guys would agree to have the NFL say, you've reached your cap of head trauma, play anymore more and your at risk. You are out. Should have kept your head up. It's a fascinating dilemma really. Edited November 30, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood
Big Gun Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Obvious two choices, better gear or reduction of violent impacts in the game significantly changing its broad appeal. For those saying give em leather heads, rugby and soccer have produced cte too. Another option is to put sensors in the helmets, measure cumulative forces and cap a players exposure provided they can correlate force and damage. But this could lead to targeting and lawsuits too. See none of these guys would agree to have the NFL say, you've reached your cap of head trauma, play anymore more and your at risk. You are out. Should have kept your head up. It's a fascinating dilemma really. That is a very interesting spin. If something like that were implemented in the future, teams and the NFL could let players keep playing if players were to sign waivers saying from this point forward any future brain problems are on the player and the teams and NFL become not liable for anything, therefor players would not be able to sue for anything. I could see something like that but it would still get ugly legal wise.
Who is Yuri? Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Is it possible that the NFL can be made safe and yet still as compelling to watch as it is now? This is nothing against current players, but make it a prison league. Keep the violence, keep the spectacle, push it further towards the periphery of peaceful society. Attica!
KD in CA Posted November 30, 2014 Posted November 30, 2014 Is it possible that the NFL can be made safe and yet still as compelling to watch as it is now? No. You can't make a contact sport 'safe' and the efforts to make it safer have already made is less compelling to watch. The question is how much safer can they make it while keeping it worth watching at all.
rfk Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Well, Robots will take over the sport by 2030 so just a couple more generations of wussie humanoid injuries. Why not a force field around the player's body so the impact is muffled. How about using ISIS prisoners as players. No chopping heads allowed. Lets all have a pint and watch Soccer and Lacrosse. Perhaps contact Golf. Have a device that delivers a genital shock to any player who exceeds a certain impact velocity. I could go on but I'll get nasty replies Edited December 1, 2014 by rfk
Damian Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 With the weight training, nutrition, equipment, and painkillers these guys have been turned into weapons and victims..What about the Canadians ....do they have the same outcomes. I'm glad my Grandsons play Soccer i loves me some bone crunching tackles but.... Perhaps naked football is the answer.. Soccer is the #1 cause of concussions in women's sports in the US and #2 in men's sports only because far more men play football than soccer.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 This is the problem. Players have this great equipment, and it is miles better than anything before, but they think it makes them invincible. You see it all the time with drivers who have 4WD or AWD and think they can drive 65 in a snowstorm. Then they wonder how they ended up in a ditch. This is a really great point. It's always felt that improved protective equipment decreases injury, but the law of unintended consequences indicates sometimes it just leads to people going harder - eg, studies where anti-lock brakes don't necessarily decrease accidents.
CodeMonkey Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Soccer is the #1 cause of concussions in women's sports in the US and #2 in men's sports only because far more men play football than soccer. Hmmm not so sure that's true anymore. But as far women's soccer, a coach explained that to me one time and I've seen it to be true. If you see two men go for 50/50 ball, most of the time if one of the players has a slight edge, the other player will back off. But in the women's game, that generally won't happen and they are far more likely to bang their heads together than men are, and this is the main reason for concussions in soccer and is true in high school as well as college.
Damian Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Hmmm not so sure that's true anymore. But as far women's soccer, a coach explained that to me one time and I've seen it to be true. If you see two men go for 50/50 ball, most of the time if one of the players has a slight edge, the other player will back off. But in the women's game, that generally won't happen and they are far more likely to bang their heads together than men are, and this is the main reason for concussions in soccer and is true in high school as well as college. Most high schools and colleges have both soccer & football teams, a typical soccer roster size is 14-16, where football is 50+ players.
CodeMonkey Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Most high schools and colleges have both soccer & football teams, a typical soccer roster size is 14-16, where football is 50+ players. Factor in travel soccer at the high school and below levels. Plus do high schools have 50+ football rosters in some places? Not around me they don't. Can't get that nearly that many to play. But I could see it in the south, Texas for example I guess.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 Soccer is the #1 cause of concussions in women's sports in the US and #2 in men's sports only because far more men play football than soccer. Only domestically. World-wide it's the exact opposite and not even close, and I suspect cte is geographically agnostic.
rfk Posted December 1, 2014 Author Posted December 1, 2014 I'm sure that there is head gear that soccer players could wear that would limit concussions and high schools could easily have a more than one team to accommodate every student that wants to play (at a cheaper cost than FB). I love football but it's now apparent that we are watching mostly African Americans from poor economic backgrounds sacrifice their health and longevity so we can get a taste of ultra violence from our couches...
KD in CA Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 I'm sure that there is head gear that soccer players could wear that would limit concussions and high schools could easily have a more than one team to accommodate every student that wants to play (at a cheaper cost than FB). I love football but it's now apparent that we are watching mostly African Americans from poor economic backgrounds sacrifice their health and longevity so we can get a taste of ultra violence from our couches... Uh oh....you're not going to call me a plantation owner or anything similar for watching the NFL, are you?
dave mcbride Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Soccer is the #1 cause of concussions in women's sports in the US and #2 in men's sports only because far more men play football than soccer. Far more youths ages 6-18 play soccer than tackle football: Tackle football: 3.26 million. Soccer: 7.11 million. It's highly probable that more boys play youth soccer than girls, so if we assume 60 percent boys, we're talking 4 million playing soccer. http://online.wsj.co...350892629229918 Edited December 1, 2014 by dave mcbride
rfk Posted December 2, 2014 Author Posted December 2, 2014 Uh oh....you're not going to call me a plantation owner or anything similar for watching the NFL, are you? Well, Boss..... We're not talking slavery here (that would be an insult) but their are similarities. I hope that as time goes on definitive information on outcomes is available to young men who play football so they know what they are risking.
Saxum Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What needs to happen is for NFLPA to start punishing players for reckless plays on fellow players. Right now they defend every player whether the player is in right or wrong even when they injure players and break rules.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Safe? No. Safer? Yes. There are inherent health risks associated with playing the game that every player must be willing to accept.
papazoid Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 What needs to happen is for NFLPA to start punishing players for reckless plays on fellow players. Right now they defend every player whether the player is in right or wrong even when they injure players and break rules. they will never punish their own. they will never respect one another. they will be dragged kicking and screaming all the way through any and all rule changes. using them as bargaining chips even though its for their own good. it wouldn't surprise me if half the NFL players already have signs of brain injury BEFORE they ever played a down in the NFL.
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