VADC Bills Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) I agree...... but you only really get any benefit of that if there is a genuine chance that they move on from RGIII if the performances don't get any better. The old phrase that if you have 2 starting quarterbacks you have no starting quarterbacks apples to the Redskins at the moment..... they have a really confused situation back there. If you are sticking with RGIII long term no matter what then at some point you gotta decide between Cousins and McCoy as the back up. As a season ticket holder of the Redskins with a chance to view him every game when is is playing, I think RG3 will be fine. The Skins need an offensive line especially in the middle (like the Bills). Once the line solidifies he will be very good. If the Redskins give up on him their will be a long line waiting to get him. My issue with RG3 is that he seems to be injury prone. Edited November 22, 2014 by VADC Bills
GunnerBill Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 As a season ticket holder of the Redskins with a chance to view him every game when is is playing, I think RG3 will be fine. The Skins need an offensive line especially in the middle (like the Bills). Once the line solidifies he will be very good. If the Redskins give up on him their will be a long line waiting to get him. My issue with RG3 is that he seems to be injury prone. I agree he needs better protection. I'm not sure I agree that given it he will be fine, but that isn't my point in the above post. My point is that the benefit to sticking with him throughout the rest of this season is that you get to make a proper, informed, decision about the future. If the reality is that the decision is basically already made then I think it undermines the benefits somewhat.
truth on hold Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Played wreckless and took too many hits. He'd take on linebackers and safeties with a full head of steam, rather than go out of bounds when he already had the first down. Which was just crazy. When forced to be a pocket passer he's just so-so.... not a great arm, not great vision ... i.e. backup material. Which if not for the legacy is exactly what he'd be right now. Edited November 22, 2014 by JTSP
billykaykay Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 I've not like RG. He's imature, doesn't read offenses well, his comments about other players really hacked off his coach, using the media against Shanahan, and so on. I don't see the Rams as squandering though. If you look at their defensive front, they are pretty darn good, and their line is getting better. They just beat the Broncos. Maybe there is hope for us. Oh, that's right they have Jeff Fisher and we have Meathead Marrone. Sorry, I couldn't resist as my patience after 1.5 years has finally worn out with Marrone. He'd better fire Hacket at the end of the year and get a very experienced OC who can do something with our talent. What talent??
26CornerBlitz Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 Gruden On RG III: He's Auditioned Long Enough (1:52) Herm Edwards discusses Redskins coach Jay Gruden's comments about QB Robert Griffin III's playing status and whether Griffin is the quarterback of the future for the Redskins.
Mr. WEO Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 They'd be stupid to put McCoy in now in a lost season. They have to play Griffin and see what he's got. I'm pretty sure the point being made is that he's shown all he's got.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 I'm pretty sure the point being made is that he's shown all he's got. He's got more than Colt McCoy.
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 He's got more than Colt McCoy. More money maybe. Otherwise it's an argument over who's poop smells better.
run dat back Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 jamarcus was fewer picks but far more $$$ But picks are the lifeblood of a franchise, and they gave up too much.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 More money maybe. Otherwise it's an argument over who's poop smells better. True. But the thing is, RG3 has a chance to be good. I don't think it will happen but there is a chance. Colt McCoy has no chance.
vincec Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 As Brian Billick pointed out in his article, Gruden is not exactly handling this situation well. Publicly throwing your players under the bus is not the way to earn their respect and commitment. If he really wants to continue to work with RGIII and try to get him to improve then he just made it much harder to deal with him.
mannc Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 As Brian Billick pointed out in his article, Gruden is not exactly handling this situation well. Publicly throwing your players under the bus is not the way to earn their respect and commitment. If he really wants to continue to work with RGIII and try to get him to improve then he just made it much harder to deal with him. Every week Gruden's is looking more like a "one-and-done" coach in Washington.
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 True. But the thing is, RG3 has a chance to be good. I don't think it will happen but there is a chance. Colt McCoy has no chance. I guess anything is possible.
reddogblitz Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 Every week Gruden's is looking more like a "one-and-done" coach in Washington. He would Be a good replacement for Hackett Jr.
JohnC Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 More money maybe. Otherwise it's an argument over who's poop smells better. I live in the MD/DC area and have seen him play. RGIII is immensely more talented than Colt McCoy. That is not to say that he has outperformed McCoy this year. Not trying to overstate the situation but as it stands RGIII is a broken player who has lost his confidence and his minimal fundamentals have deteriorated. What this confused and pyschologically battered player needs more than anything is a timeout where he can step back and in practice work on his game. There is no doubt that at this time this insufferable Diva is overwhelmed and lost. Instead of working on his game he spent too much time and effort on establishing his "brand". Just maybe this brutal beating he has been taking on the field, in the media and within his own locker room will humble him enough to get back working on his game. The people who say he can't become a very good qb didn't watch him play his rookie year. He has a tremendous arm and he is accurate, at least in his rookie year he possessed it. If the Skins prematurely give up on him another franchise will reap the dividends of their foolishness. Although he is understandably receiving the brunt of the criticisms for his team's collapse there is plenty of blame to go around. His OL is in shambles and the defense is a disaster. Getting some of the other broken pieces fixed will be a major factor in him getting back on track.
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 I live in the MD/DC area and have seen him play. RGIII is immensely more talented than Colt McCoy. That is not to say that he has outperformed McCoy this year. Not trying to overstate the situation but as it stands RGIII is a broken player who has lost his confidence and his minimal fundamentals have deteriorated. What this confused and pyschologically battered player needs more than anything is a timeout where he can step back and in practice work on his game. There is no doubt that at this time this insufferable Diva is overwhelmed and lost. Instead of working on his game he spent too much time and effort on establishing his "brand". Just maybe this brutal beating he has been taking on the field, in the media and within his own locker room will humble him enough to get back working on his game. The people who say he can't become a very good qb didn't watch him play his rookie year. He has a tremendous arm and he is accurate, at least in his rookie year he possessed it. If the Skins prematurely give up on him another franchise will reap the dividends of their foolishness. Although he is understandably receiving the brunt of the criticisms for his team's collapse there is plenty of blame to go around. His OL is in shambles and the defense is a disaster. Getting some of the other broken pieces fixed will be a major factor in him getting back on track. Cossell watches film all day. This was his conclusion. What top draft pick QB has ever fallen apart so quickly and then be completely rehabilitated by the same or another team?
zow2 Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 I live in the MD/DC area and have seen him play. RGIII is immensely more talented than Colt McCoy. That is not to say that he has outperformed McCoy this year. Not trying to overstate the situation but as it stands RGIII is a broken player who has lost his confidence and his minimal fundamentals have deteriorated. What this confused and pyschologically battered player needs more than anything is a timeout where he can step back and in practice work on his game. There is no doubt that at this time this insufferable Diva is overwhelmed and lost. Instead of working on his game he spent too much time and effort on establishing his "brand". Just maybe this brutal beating he has been taking on the field, in the media and within his own locker room will humble him enough to get back working on his game. The people who say he can't become a very good qb didn't watch him play his rookie year. He has a tremendous arm and he is accurate, at least in his rookie year he possessed it. If the Skins prematurely give up on him another franchise will reap the dividends of their foolishness. Although he is understandably receiving the brunt of the criticisms for his team's collapse there is plenty of blame to go around. His OL is in shambles and the defense is a disaster. Getting some of the other broken pieces fixed will be a major factor in him getting back on track. The problem for RG3 is he lost a lot of that athleticism since his 1st year in DC. The injuries plus the read option stuff is not a surprise anymore. So basically he's not beating defenses with his legs and he's not making great decisions as a pocket passer. Way too many sacks are on him.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 QBs that rely on their athleticism don't become great and this is what has happened to RG3
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2014 Posted November 23, 2014 He has a tremendous arm and he is accurate, at least in his rookie year he possessed it. If the Skins prematurely give up on him another franchise will reap the dividends of their foolishness. I'd like to see a breakdown of his completion %s from inside the pocket and from outside the pocket and the ypa attached. My take, upon watching him, is that his accuracy on anything over 5 yards from the pocket really falls off. Once he gets outside the pocket and he is not feeling the pressure (real or imagined) from rushers his accuracy holds up better throwing down the field. His completion percentages are pretty decent still this year, but I don't see him making good decisions and being accurate with the football from the pocket. I am just not sure he has what it takes to be a genuine pocket passer at the NFL level, which means you have to run a constantly gimmicky offense in order for him to excel.
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