GunnerBill Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Okay. Those things are all true. But you're missing one crucial part. He has looked timid and slow ever since he got hurt in the playoffs because of Shanny. I think we all expected a drop off after that great first year, but his injury has left him a shell of himself. RG3 again played in 2013 not fully healthy. He has looked timid and slow running. Teams have thus been able to force him to try and beat them from the pocket and that is where he has struggled and continues to struggle. What the Shanahans did well that first year was design plays to move the pocket or allow RGIII to get out before throwing. No argument from me that he should not have gone back in to that play-off game, I question whether he should have started it in the first place the ligament that tore was already sprained in the previous incident that kept him out of a regular season game in my opinion. But whether through injury or through defenses catching up there was always going to come a point when teams were going to force him to beat them from the pocket, I'm not convinced that is something he will ever excel at. Edited November 18, 2014 by GunnerBill
Mr. WEO Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Okay. Those things are all true. But you're missing one crucial part. He has looked timid and slow ever since he got hurt in the playoffs because of Shanny. I think we all expected a drop off after that great first year, but his injury has left him a shell of himself. RG3 again played in 2013 not fully healthy. This guy was going to get hurt no matter what--he just missed half the season again! At Baylor, he was never touched. He can't play here. The Shanahan's only proved this a year ago.
FireChan Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) This guy was going to get hurt no matter what--he just missed half the season again! At Baylor, he was never touched. He can't play here. The Shanahan's only proved this a year ago. Would RG3 have played better last year if Shanny didn't send him out there for his knee to explode in 2012? I think so. Edited November 18, 2014 by FireChan
Utah John Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 The knee injury wrecked the key part of his game, which is his running ability. I don't think he was inherently any more fragile than Russell Wilson, for example. He was just ruined by a greedy coach, and in truth by his own selfish desire to go be superman in that playoff game. I think he will never regain the full speed and mobility he had before, which is a real shame, because he was a lot of fun to watch (and I am definitely not a Skins fan). Was the trade a bad one? Well, the Rams seem to have screwed up most of the draft picks they got, and RGIII isn't much good anymore, so this looks like a classic lose-lose.
offyourocker Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Can he be salvaged? He obviously had the tools at some point.
Kemp2Warlick Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 10m10 minutes ago Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn't put in the time http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Dlm
Captain Hindsight Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 10m10 minutes ago Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn't put in the time http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Dlm If thats the case he will continue to struggle. He's got no chance
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 This is a must read for those interested in this subject. MMQB's breakdown of RG III's game is very damning: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/18/robert-griffin-iii-rg3-washington-nfl/ .
Mr. WEO Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Would RG3 have played better last year if Shanny didn't send him out there for his knee to explode in 2012? I think so. The knee injury wrecked the key part of his game, which is his running ability. I don't think he was inherently any more fragile than Russell Wilson, for example. He was just ruined by a greedy coach, and in truth by his own selfish desire to go be superman in that playoff game. I think he will never regain the full speed and mobility he had before, which is a real shame, because he was a lot of fun to watch (and I am definitely not a Skins fan). Was the trade a bad one? Well, the Rams seem to have screwed up most of the draft picks they got, and RGIII isn't much good anymore, so this looks like a classic lose-lose. There is no reason to believe that this kid would not been injured again and again. Others have come back from ACL repair and they aren't crippled by "fear" that they will be injured again. He sucked last year because Defenses figured out how to beat a one trick pony. Then he got injured again this year. Now he's back and he's no good again. I have no doubt he would still be exactly where he is right now if Shanny never put him back in that game.
bbb Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 As somebody mentioned above - Man, that zone read fad went quick, just like the wildcat. Probably not good to plan your team around fad offenses.
FireChan Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 There is no reason to believe that this kid would not been injured again and again. Others have come back from ACL repair and they aren't crippled by "fear" that they will be injured again. He sucked last year because Defenses figured out how to beat a one trick pony. Then he got injured again this year. Now he's back and he's no good again. I have no doubt he would still be exactly where he is right now if Shanny never put him back in that game. Others have come back from ACL's never the same player. But this all speculation anyway.
reddogblitz Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I bet that's how he mixed it up. Didn't Mosely not miss a kick that year, and Anderson didn't miss one until that fateful kick? Maybe I'm thinking of a different game. That happens to me I'm finding out . It was Gary Anderson obviously.
dave mcbride Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 As somebody mentioned above - Man, that zone read fad went quick, just like the wildcat. Probably not good to plan your team around fad offenses. The Seahawks still run it all the time. Wilson is a terrific QB though.
bbb Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Maybe I'm thinking of a different game. That happens to me I'm finding out . It was Gary Anderson obviously. After his tank job as a Bills draft pick, he'll always be !@#$ing Gary !@#$ing Anderson to me! The Seahawks still run it all the time. Wilson is a terrific QB though. Then, I'm going to blame whoever said it above!
machine gun kelly Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I've not like RG. He's imature, doesn't read offenses well, his comments about other players really hacked off his coach, using the media against Shanahan, and so on. I don't see the Rams as squandering though. If you look at their defensive front, they are pretty darn good, and their line is getting better. They just beat the Broncos. Maybe there is hope for us. Oh, that's right they have Jeff Fisher and we have Meathead Marrone. Sorry, I couldn't resist as my patience after 1.5 years has finally worn out with Marrone. He'd better fire Hacket at the end of the year and get a very experienced OC who can do something with our talent.
Rubes Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 The Seahawks still run it all the time. Wilson is a terrific QB though. Gruden blasted teams for running the read option a week or two back on MNF. I think it was when Cam Newton was playing. Basically he was saying, if I was an owner paying all those millions for the most important position on the field, I'm not sure I'd let my coach have him running around getting hit all the time. It's going to come back and haunt you.
prissythecat Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 The Seahawks still run it all the time. Wilson is a terrific QB though. How well are the Seahawks doing with that read option ? I think it's mainly Marshawn keeping them in games now . The passing game is crap for the Seahawks .
GunnerBill Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 The passing game is crap but Wilson is still running well.
rumblefish Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Bills fans dishing the draft choices of other NFL teams,
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