NoSaint Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I'd be hard pressed to justify spikes limited snaps at 4m per over kiko 3 downs at 800k per. Rarely do I argue shed spending but I think this is a great spot to allocate money elsewhere I think we shed spikes and Lawson to keep the front 4 Edited November 25, 2014 by NoSaint
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 I would seriously do this in a heart beat. Trade Kiko for 200 pounds of raw bear flesh, the bones of chuck Norris's mother, the severed head of the Ebola czar, and unfettered right to invade Canada. That would be pretty fair, IMO.
K-9 Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 We have a defense that is great at getting to the QB. We are NOT, however, a dominant defense, our performance last night notwithstanding. Kiko Alonso at WLB would take us a step closer to being dominant. There's a lot to like about our LBs, but they've been exposed on several occasions this year, especially in the passing game. Kiko is simply a playmaker at the position. The minute he comes back, assuming he's healthy, he becomes our best LB on the team. GO BILLS!!!
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Trade him for "two dominant offensive lineman"? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL?
kota Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED?
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Trade him for "two dominant offensive lineman"? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL? All those teams with 7-8 pro bowl lineman do it all the time
rfk Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Trade em for Mike Vick and doggie to be named later.
dayman Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 I would consider Kiko for a 10 ten pick if we resigned Spikes. You have to at least consider stuff like that.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? Uh, what really good proven QB do you have in mind, and why do you think that team would trade him for an injured LB who had one promising season?
What a Tuel Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) All those teams with 7-8 pro bowl lineman do it all the time No you got it all wrong. Two teams will each contribute a pro bowl lineman, and then those teams will share Kiko. Or cut him in half? They will figure it out, the thing that matters is that we have two pro bowl linemen now! WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED? so that we can draft good players!!! Edited November 25, 2014 by What a Tuel
Sumin Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 I doubt Brown or Bradham would be the ones getting pushed to the bench. They both already get more snaps than Spikes because they can both play the run and the pass well. Spikes would likely only be used in obvious running downs. Precisely. If there is a franchise QB in the top 10, why would a team trade that pick for a LB? Kiko is our best LB in terms of coverage, something we still lack. Spikes was a good one year rental, but it would be ridiculous to prioritize him or offer him a large contract over guys like Marcell Dareus or Jerry Hughes. Period. And if you keep Spikes on a smaller deal, he can be used as depth and on obvious running downs. The fact that Preston Brown has received all of the snaps in place of Keith Rivers is very telling. This team obviously is very high on Brown, and should be, because he has shown quite a bit of potential. Kiko/Bradham/Brown/Spikes/Rivers is a good LB core to me.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? only for a proven QB or if Connor Cook come out.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) OK, I'm not trolling or being intentionally argumentative. But here goes. We have a great defensive line, not just the starters but every backup as well. We have three really good LBs on the field, plus adequate backups. Where will Kiko fit next year, if the Bills are able to bring Spikes back? On the other hand, the Bills desperately need upgrades at a couple of positions on the offensive side, and they could stand an upgrade at safety as well. The question is, as good as Kiko is, would you trade him for a really good, proven, QB? How about two dominant offensive lineman? Or would you never want to trade him and are thinking of coming out to Utah to explain things to me in person? Well done OP on the foresight of Alonso being expendable. 99% of fans didn't think so. Edited March 5, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever
PromoTheRobot Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Well done OP on the foresight of Alonso being expendable. 99% of fans didn't think so. Utah John Edited March 5, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Looks like there might be some name calling to apologize for around here.
RevWarRifleman Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Interesting that this thread comes back up, from 25 Nov. Truth be told, a few weeks later, during the last couple games of the season there in Dec., I threw out a thought to a friend after the Packers game, that the Bills might use Alonzo as trade bait for a quarterback during the offseason. At the time, I thought that they might consider that, seeing how well our defense performed w/out him, and the great need for a better qb.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Utah John = Leroi? It looks like Utah John deserves a spot between the farmers almanac and nostradamus.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 The only type of player i would consider trading a young talent like that for would be a good franchise QB. And no team is going to trade a good franchise QB for a LB. Looks like that was true, SLB - Bradham MLB - Brown WLB - Kiko Best linebacking crew in the league! Welp WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO TRADE AWAY OUR GOOD PLAYERS THAT WERE DRAFTED? For McCoy trade away.
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