boyst Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Although I agree with you on all the other stuff, I gotta call you on this one. Holder and O have come out and called for the protests to be peaceful. If Obama visited it, things would be different. And Holder seemed to do more to flame the fires of what happened then calm them. I wouldn't trust Holder to give a fair opinion on if it was raining outside. I know they've spoke out against it but it's nothing more then obligatory face time. I remember during the Rodney King riots of the early 90s when Rodney King went on TV and pleaded "Can't we all just get along". Nobody's doing that this time. Instead we have Brown's stepfather encouraging protestors to "Burn this B*tch down" And, the usual suspects there fueling it. You might have missed the president addressing the nation, not that I'd blame you. You also might have missed the countless other leaders calling for peace in the weeks leading up to the decision. It's just funny that in the same thread where people have rightly pointed to specific agitators as the cause (groups and individuals) you try to wrap it up as a black culture problem while completely missing the larger context.If it was last night I was watching football and wrapped in that. Fair enough on the bolded, because I understand what you are saying but I do not think you understand what I am saying. If the same amount of effort was made to speak out against the looting and violence was spent on the protesting maybe things would be different. Is there way anyone can protest the violence of the protesters?
/dev/null Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 You might have missed the president addressing the nation, not that I'd blame you. I can't speak for jboy, but personally I did not see the President's address. I was watching one of black culture's most persistent and sacred beliefs being totally and utterly proven false. The belief that Mike Vick is a good QB
Deranged Rhino Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 If Obama visited it, things would be different. And Holder seemed to do more to flame the fires of what happened then calm them. I wouldn't trust Holder to give a fair opinion on if it was raining outside. I know they've spoke out against it but it's nothing more then obligatory face time. And, the usual suspects there fueling it. If it was last night I was watching football and wrapped in that. Fair enough on the bolded, because I understand what you are saying but I do not think you understand what I am saying. If the same amount of effort was made to speak out against the looting and violence was spent on the protesting maybe things would be different. Is there way anyone can protest the violence of the protesters? How many violent protesters were there last night compared to peaceful ones? The looters were by far in the minority. I can't speak for jboy, but personally I did not see the President's address. I was watching one of black culture's most persistent and sacred beliefs being totally and utterly proven false. The belief that Mike Vick is a good QB :lol:
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) And then al sharpton said who gives a shtttt, the people are angry. He's on cnn speaking like he's 100% sure Wilson's fault. He gives zero cares about the looting and fires. Al doesn't care how many people he hurts or lives he destroys. He should be locked in a cage with a pissed off chimpanzee. Edited November 25, 2014 by Rob's House
boyst Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 How many violent protesters were there last night compared to peaceful ones? The looters were by far in the minority. Kind of my point. The outnumbered are being out shined by the minority. The majority need make a more consciousness effort to make their voices louder then the violence.
Security Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/25/george-stephanopoulos-darren-wilson-interview-abc-news_n_6220492.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000018 George Stephanopoulos interviewing Darren Wilson! How many violent protesters were there last night compared to peaceful ones? The looters were by far in the minority. :lol: Not in Ferguson. Even the "peaceful" ones appeared to be taunting the police trying to provoke them to break rank and maybe attack someone. When they saw the police would not make a move they kept the insults flying. Kind of my point. The outnumbered are being out shined by the minority. The majority need make a more consciousness effort to make their voices louder then the violence. Kind of like Muslims...
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 I can't speak for jboy, but personally I did not see the President's address. I was watching one of black culture's most persistent and sacred beliefs being totally and utterly proven false. The belief that Mike Vick is a good QB The words he said were fine but he was a day late and a dollar short. If he really wanted to have an impact he'd have gotten out in front of it rather than waiting until the riots were inevitably and irreversibly under way to give his obligatory speech. Anyone who thinks Obama & Holder didn't want this is a sucker.
/dev/null Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Not in Ferguson. Even the "peaceful" ones appeared to be taunting the police trying to provoke them to break rank and maybe attack someone. When they saw the police would not make a move they kept the insults flying. The protesters in Ferguson are the professional protesters. They know the rules and limits and were trying to incite a response by the police
boyst Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Kind of like Muslims... Oh gosh. Not really, though. Muslims are some times extreme but so are Christians and Catholics, and even Gravitians.
Chef Jim Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 The words he said were fine but he was a day late and a dollar short. If he really wanted to have an impact he'd have gotten out in front of it rather than waiting until the riots were inevitably and irreversibly under way to give his obligatory speech. Anyone who thinks Obama & Holder didn't want this is a sucker. Wait by getting in front me mean......lead?? Hmmmm, interesting concept.
B-Man Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Obama emphasized that “there’s never an excuse for violence, particularly when here are a lot of people of goodwill out there who are willing to work on these issues.” Then he added: “On the other hand, those who are only interested in focusing on the violence and just want the problem to go away need to recognize that we do have work to do here and we shouldn’t try to paper it over. Whenever we do that, the anger may momentarily subside, but over time, it builds up and America’s isn’t everything that it could be.” That was the crux of the Obama statement. If you don’t recognize problems in race relations and if those problems aren’t addressed effectively, then black people are going to get angry when events happen such as those in Ferguson, and those angers are going to erupt into violence. Thus did the president seek to put the onus on the country for any violence that erupted in Ferguson. In doing that, he actually placed some of the onus on himself. If problems of lingering racism exist in America, then those problems should be addressed, and few Americans are better positioned to do so than Obama. But, if the Ferguson events can’t be attributed to racism, then they shouldn’t be used to spearhead discussions on any broader problem—and certainly shouldn’t be used in ways that could exacerbate racial tensions in Ferguson. http://nationalinter...re-11737?page=2
Security Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Oh gosh. Not really, though. Muslims are some times extreme but so are Christians and Catholics, and even Gravitians. Haha. The loud minority always makes everyone look bad unless you have people that speak out against the loud minority that the loud minority claims to represent. This does happen with Muslims, they are afraid of the crazy terrorist Muslims, but in this case of the African American community, it seems like there is no need to speak out because they believe they have been wronged. One black friend of mine is getting killed by many other black posters on facebook because he said to a degree that Brown influenced his own demise directly. This is not a welcomed thought process it seems to me in that community.
Buftex Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) http://littlegreenfo...._Darren_Wilson The words he said were fine but he was a day late and a dollar short. If he really wanted to have an impact he'd have gotten out in front of it rather than waiting until the riots were inevitably and irreversibly under way to give his obligatory speech. Anyone who thinks Obama & Holder didn't want this is a sucker. Who wanted this? Who was fanning the flames for three !@#$ing days, saying a decision was immenent...then, a decision has been made, which will be announced in 3 or 4 hours? The extremes some of you will go to is !@#$ing redicuolous. Edited November 25, 2014 by Buftex
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Haha. The loud minority always makes everyone look bad unless you have people that speak out against the loud minority that the loud minority claims to represent. This does happen with Muslims, they are afraid of the crazy terrorist Muslims, but in this case of the African American community, it seems like there is no need to speak out because they believe they have been wronged. One black friend of mine is getting killed by many other black posters on facebook because he said to a degree that Brown influenced his own demise directly. This is not a welcomed thought process it seems to me in that community. Not all, but most of my black FB friends, although condemning the vandalism and looting, still buy in to the whole racial narrative and "like" articles like "no justice no peace." http://littlegreenfo...._Darren_Wilson Who wanted this? Who was fanning the flames for three !@#$ing days, saying a decision was immenent...then, a decision has been made, which will be announced in 3 or 4 hours? The extremes some of you will go to is !@#$ing redicuolous. Obama and Holder wanted this. It's pretty obvious to anyone who doesn't desperately want to believe otherwise.
Deranged Rhino Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Kind of my point. The outnumbered are being out shined by the minority. The majority need make a more consciousness effort to make their voices louder then the violence. I get that, but I guess I'm saying the chaos-porn-reporting that seems to comprise almost every element of our national media these days are highlighting the chaos for the ratings. Basing your opinion on what's being shown to us by Fox/CNN/MSNBC et al is to base your opinion on theater rather than reality. Flip on any of the cablers right now and they're showing nothing but highlights of the carnage, not talking about the hundreds of peaceful protests going on around the country right now. You're blaming the majority for the reporting on the story. (not blaming, you know what I mean... I'm not trying to make it out like you're in hysterics because you're not). Neil Cavuto just called for the National Guard to use a "powerful display of force"... Because that'll settle things down. How the man manages to walk and breathe at the same time is beyond me.
GG Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Obama and Holder wanted this. It's pretty obvious to anyone who doesn't desperately want to believe otherwise. Actually, highly unlikely they wanted this. If there's one thing that's obviously perfectly clear with this administration, is that they don't want ANYTHING to happen and will go to great lengths to make sure that's accomplished. Otherwise, they'd have to answer pesky questions.
boyst Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 I get that, but I guess I'm saying the chaos-porn-reporting that seems to comprise almost every element of our national media these days are highlighting the chaos for the ratings. Basing your opinion on what's being shown to us by Fox/CNN/MSNBC et al is to base your opinion on theater rather than reality. Flip on any of the cablers right now and they're showing nothing but highlights of the carnage, not talking about the hundreds of peaceful protests going on around the country right now. You're blaming the majority for the reporting on the story. (not blaming, you know what I mean... I'm not trying to make it out like you're in hysterics because you're not). Neil Cavuto just called for the National Guard to use a "powerful display of force"... Because that'll settle things down. How the man manages to walk and breathe at the same time is beyond me. No. I am blaming the majority, if we're going to use your phrasing, for not coming out and overpowering the media to get their message out there. Not getting in the faces of the cameras enough to say this is BS. Not trying to draw attention where it is needed. Neil Cavuto just called for the National Guard to use a "powerful display of force"... Because that'll settle things down. How the man manages to walk and breathe at the same time is beyond me. That is insane. The first thought I had last night was they should have parked tanks around the town. All that would have done is intensify the rage. More or less, the simpler the better. Put up some barricades down the road for emergency usage and give the streets to the people. If something gets crazy, like a fly swatter knock it out and then go away.
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 But seriously...why would any black person trust the US justice system? Orenthal James Simpson of course! Ooops, where's he sitting... Good point though.
Deranged Rhino Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 No. I am blaming the majority, if we're going to use your phrasing, for not coming out and overpowering the media to get their message out there. Not getting in the faces of the cameras enough to say this is BS. Not trying to draw attention where it is needed. Those kind of stories never make it to air because the media doesn't care about that. That's the problem. The majority doesn't control the media and certainly can't force them to cover their side of things -- unless they get louder or more violent which kind of goes against the point. That is insane. The first thought I had last night was they should have parked tanks around the town. All that would have done is intensify the rage. More or less, the simpler the better. Put up some barricades down the road for emergency usage and give the streets to the people. If something gets crazy, like a fly swatter knock it out and then go away. In the same interview segment, Neil dressed down the protesters for thinking they know how to police Ferguson better than the actual police of Ferguson -- then without missing a beat, he proceeds to dress down the Ferguson Police for not using enough under cover officers to infiltrate the groups of outside agitators. The guy is a clown. The news in general is worse -- which is why the peaceful majority will never get equal time.
boyst Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 Those kind of stories never make it to air because the media doesn't care about that. That's the problem. The majority doesn't control the media and certainly can't force them to cover their side of things -- unless they get louder or more violent which kind of goes against the point. In the same interview segment, Neil dressed down the protesters for thinking they know how to police Ferguson better than the actual police of Ferguson -- then without missing a beat, he proceeds to dress down the Ferguson Police for not using enough under cover officers to infiltrate the groups of outside agitators. The guy is a clown. The news in general is worse -- which is why the peaceful majority will never get equal time. TrannyGreg loves Fox News Also, then make your voice be heard. Don't protest the police stations or court houses. Protest the news stations and news papers.
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