Maury Ballstein Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) ODB > Cruz by a country mile. Easy to see and Cruz has been Crap for a while now. Edited November 24, 2014 by Ryan L Billz
truth on hold Posted November 24, 2014 Author Posted November 24, 2014 what a catch ! http://www.nfl.com/v...best-catch-ever other athletes chyme in on twitter, including Andre Reed http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000433435/article/giants-odell-beckham-makes-catch-of-the-year
Casey D Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Really starting to hate our fanbase. We probably did give up too much, never a good idea to trade picks, but when you draft as poorly as the Bills have in the past decade and a half does it really matter? I mean this is a franchise who has drafted Donte Whitner in the top 10, traded a first round pick to draft JP Losman, drafted McKelvin in the top 15, John McCargo in the 1st round, Aaron Maybin in the top 15, two running backs in the top 12 (one who was ultimately traded but good, and another who be a free agent), the underperforming Eric Wood who isn't a top 5 Center but is paid like one, and last but not least EJ Manuel who was a second day selection at best. So I'm going to worry about a 1st round pick? Even when we have them we usually blow them. Hey look, lets continue to play this game and make ourselves more miserable. We could have drafted Chris Borland instead of Preston Brown, we could have draft Navarro Bowman instead of Alex Carrington, Gronk instead of Troup, we could have traded up for Big Ben instead of trading up for Losman, we could have drafted.... Bottom line, Sammy is a good player, he'll be a good player barring injury and further development. This team needs good players. Stop comparing him to other receivers, stop worrying about the 1st round pick we gave because it's a sunk cost, no getting it back. Worry about him developing and staying healthy. Not the could have and the should haves. Seems like that's all we do, worry about our past miscues. It's over with, move on. We have bigger issues than Sammy Watkins. Excellent post! I love this draft 20/20 hindsight-- the false dichotomy that at the time it was take Beckham or move up for Sammy. Right or wrong they had Watkins #1 on their board. By all accounts it would have been Ebron, not Beckham at 9. At least we got a great player, as you say. If the price was high, so be it. At least he seems to be a great player, and in the long run that is all that matters.
Best Player Available Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Ya know, it's true, you'll argue about anything, won't you. Beckham Jr was hurt through OTA's and TC. The performances he's put on since he began play in 2014 are very strong. I've seen a couple of his games and he keeps getting better. In 6 games Cruz had 23 receptions for 337 yards and one TD. In 7 games Beckham Jr has 41 receptions for 609 yards and 5 TDs. If those aren't #1 stats then I don't know what would be. The kid is good and hopefully we'll be watching he & Sammy for a long, long time. In regards to Beckhams catch last night. CBS and Chary Rose just showed film of him practicing that play. In fact he had practiced it yesterday during pre game warm ups. Color me impressed.
Dibs Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Assuming Watkins develops into a star WR, I don't see the problem. Who cares if a different team drafts a Don Hutson if you drafted a Jerry Rice? The Bills were sure about Watkins.....and obviously unsure about Beckham(as were most[all] analysts). Time will tell, but if there were two(or more) future HOF WR drafted in 2014, as long as one is Sammy Watkins it was a good move to trade up to get him. It means that the Bills skillfully acquired the guy they were sure of.....and that the other teams were lucky that their future HOF guy fell into their laps. Edited November 24, 2014 by Dibs
Niagara Dude Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 This is not about who is better they are both great players who can make big plays, the difference we paid with an extra first round pick in a league where draft picks are way more important then other pro leagues.
Casey D Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 This is not about who is better they are both great players who can make big plays, the difference we paid with an extra first round pick in a league where draft picks are way more important then other pro leagues. Only if you turn them into something. The assumption that the 1st round pick in 2015 would have been something special is kind of amusing given the history of Bills first round picks and the criticism of the current front office.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Maybe the best comparison is the QB class of '83. It'e like saying that Denver shouldn't have traded Hinton and a 1st for Elway because they could have drafted Marino and saved the pick. IR there is a guy that you know (and everyone knows) will be great and you have a chance to get him you do. If another guy also has a great career it doesn't mean that it was a mistake because you spent more. The reality is that it was Watkins or Ebron & a 2015 1st & 4th. This was a great class for WR but some (Lee, Lattimer, Richardson, etc...) haven't made their presence felt. Imagine if you would have passed on a star for one of those guys?
truth on hold Posted November 24, 2014 Author Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Only if you turn them into something. The assumption that the 1st round pick in 2015 would have been something special is kind of amusing given the history of Bills first round picks and the criticism of the current front office. The problem with that kind of thinking is where does it end? If you want to say some entire drafts by Bills have been poor, should we trade our entire draft for one WR? It's also not true our firsts never work out --- Dareus is the best DT in the NFL this year, for example. Fact is 1st round picks have a lot of value, it's established within the NFL by how much you can get for trading them. Edited November 24, 2014 by JTSP
Wayne Cubed Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Yea man look out for all those 1 handed amazing catches because only elite talent can make those plays...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 This thread annoys me. I am glad we got Sammy and I could not be happier. Lets compare stats after 2 full seasons and then we will see.... CBF
Wayne Cubed Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) The problem with that kind of thinking is where does it end? If you want to say some entire drafts by Bills have been poor, should we trade our entire draft for one WR? It's also not true our firsts never work out --- Dareus is the best DT in the NFL this year, for example. Fact is 1st round picks have a lot of value, it's established within the NFL by how much you can get for trading them. Fact is every year 32 teams pick in the first round and of those 32 picks 1 or 2 may possibly turn into elite talent. Five might turn into very good and maybe 5 more are just good/serviceable. That's 20 players that probably won't be any good. So I think the real fact is the draft is a crap shoot, there are very few guarantee's. Sammy Watkins is as close to a guarantee as it gets and if given the chance to pick a "close to guarantee" teams would choose to do that every time. EDIT: And the reason why they are so valuable is because it increases the chances of landing a very good talent, it does not guarantee it. Just ask the Browns about the picks they used from the Julio Jones trade. Edited November 24, 2014 by Wayne Cubed
Casey D Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 The problem with that kind of thinking is where does it end? If you want to say some entire drafts by Bills have been poor, should we trade our entire draft for one WR? It's also not true our firsts never work out --- Dareus is the best DT in the NFL this year, for example. Fact is 1st round picks have a lot of value, it's established within the NFL by how much you can get for trading them. It is simply using the old adage that one in the hand is worth two in the bush. You've got a great one here-- you prefer the unknown two in the bush. You don't know your outcome would be better, just your hunch. Fact is every year 32 teams pick in the first round and of those 32 picks 1 or 2 may possibly turn into elite talent. Five might turn into very good and maybe 5 more are just good/serviceable. That's 20 players that probably won't be any good. So I think the real fact is the draft is a crap shoot, there are very few guarantee's. Sammy Watkins is as close to a guarantee as it gets and if given the chance to pick a "close to guarantee" teams would choose to do that every time. Exactly.
truth on hold Posted November 24, 2014 Author Posted November 24, 2014 It is simply using the old adage that one in the hand is worth two in the bush. You've got a great one here-- you prefer the unknown two in the bush. You don't know your outcome would be better, just your hunch. Id rather have the guy who's better + a pick in the most valuable round next year
bananathumb Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 I can imagine the screaming on Draft Day 2015, when Cleveland makes "our" first round selection. It's so obvious that Whaley has painted himself into a corner (you NEVER give up first round picks for a WR). Big question will be, does Terry let him get away with it. I wouldn't.
fridge Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Yea man look out for all those 1 handed amazing catches because only elite talent can make those plays... If this is in the endzone, it's a top all time catch.
Fixxxer Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Only watched him last night, he has lots of talent and that one handed catch was amazing. We will see if that attitude will help him or slow him down.
Maury Ballstein Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Id rather have the guy who's better + a pick in the most valuable round next year So your locking it in ? Odell Beckham will have a better career than Watkins?
papazoid Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 just to remind all the woulda coulda should'ves had we stayed at #9...we would have drafted TE Ebron.
thebandit27 Posted November 24, 2014 Posted November 24, 2014 Id rather have the guy who's better + a pick in the most valuable round next year 1) We have the guy that's better 2) You still refuse to answer what player it is that you are so nervous about missing out on in the 2015 draft I can imagine the screaming on Draft Day 2015, when Cleveland makes "our" first round selection. It's so obvious that Whaley has painted himself into a corner (you NEVER give up first round picks for a WR). Big question will be, does Terry let him get away with it. I wouldn't. Says who? You do realize, of course, that Seattle traded a package of picks that included a 1st rounder for Percy Harvin, and then went on to win a Superbowl, right?
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