Tommy Callahan Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) This is way overdue. Edited October 7 by Tommy Callahan 3 1 1
ScotSHO Posted October 8 Posted October 8 4 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: This is way overdue. Just an election year ruse. It’ll quietly go away to keep the greenies happy later. Why? Because the disingenuous D’s know the greenies aren’t going anywhere for this election. Shoot, they may ramp up oil drilling permits for 6 months… Take credit for it while blaming the old coot after. 1 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 hours ago, ScotSHO said: Just an election year ruse. It’ll quietly go away to keep the greenies happy later. Why? Because the disingenuous D’s know the greenies aren’t going anywhere for this election. Shoot, they may ramp up oil drilling permits for 6 months… Take credit for it while blaming the old coot after. It's going to be impossible with the rise of AI data centers. Some have their own nuke sources going online.
Doc Posted October 9 Posted October 9 40 minutes ago, B-Man said: We went to Disney between Frances and Ivan that year. Had to delay our trip 2 days to get in. The parks were almost empty and they were giving away free food they had made but couldn't sell. 1
Starr-Bills Posted October 11 Posted October 11 On 10/9/2024 at 11:48 PM, B-Man said: . Hurricane brought to you by the fuel needed to clean up. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 11 Posted October 11 18 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: Hurricane brought to you by the fuel needed to clean up. How does your theory of causality explain the Tampa hurricane of 1848, a much worse storm, which occurred before there was any oil and gas production and the human population was a fraction of its current size? My problem with the simple CO2 is the sole cause of global warming theory is that it assumes the other 99.96% of the atmosphere, and other environmental factors have no explainable impact on the climate. I think the problem is much more complex and requires further examination before jumping to solutions, which is what we're doing here.
Starr-Bills Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Thanks professor, It's reassuring you are not concerned. Looking at any data, it is not that storms didn't happen before, it's that they are happening with increased frequency (and intensity). So sure, big storms happened before. This proves nothing. Additionally its isn't that the changes are linear it is more that the weather is more variable and the extremes are more frequent. Heat waves are longer and more intense, winters are more volatile. Let's look at your "99.96%" number, fact of the matter is that we have change the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by a tremendous amount. Amount "Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 by 50% – meaning the amount of CO2 is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago." for those playing along at home that means the it has gone from ~0.025% to 0.040% Effect By volume, the dry air in Earth’s atmosphere is about 78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon.A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately 0.04 percent, including the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone. Yet while these greenhouse gases make up just a tiny percentage of our atmosphere, they play major roles in trapping Earth’s radiant heat and keeping it from escaping into space, thereby warming our planet and contributing to Earth’s greenhouse effect.The largest greenhouse gas by volume is actually the one most people tend to overlook: water vapor, whose concentration varies significantly depending on temperature. As the temperature of the atmosphere increases, the amount of humidity in the atmosphere also goes up, further heating our planet in a vicious cycle.Tiny solid or liquid particles known as aerosols, which are produced both naturally and by human activities, are also present in variable amounts, along with human-produced industrial pollutants and natural and human-produced sulfur compounds. This causes heating in the atmosphere. Any data you look at (avg temp, sea ice, antarctic sea ice, ocean surface temp etc) are all obviously trending upwards at an accelerating rate. You may not want to believe it but the evidence is clear. The climate is changing. It could be sun spots or Irv eating too many beans, but it is changed from 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago. Additionally there is NO reason to do nothing. The trends are pretty clear, but even if you are still unsure, what is hurt by actually making changes to reduce carbon use. As for solutions. The post isn't proposing any solutions. It is showing that the very industry that profits from dumping Co2 into the atmosphere knew that doing so would have consequences (and pretty accurately predicted them) for the atmosphere and the climate. But the solution is simple, stop needlessly dumping carbon in to the atmosphere. It doesn't mean no fossil fuels it means smart use and a mixed energy grid. Unfortunately it's not going to stop the change that is motion already but we can lessen the length of the effects But the bigger issue to me is your reaction. Needs more study. it's been studied sine the 70's (pointy of my post) and what they predicted then is bearing out in the data now. However you don't want to believe it. So you wont do anything about it, matter of fact, you will fight it. Maybe watch "don't look up" until you get it. (P.S. The astroid is a metaphor). Okay off to till at some wind mills now...
Wacka Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Lets see how well you outrun a hurricane on your 10-speed ,Spadex Bob. 1
K D Posted October 11 Posted October 11 If Global warming is real then why do most politicians own beach front property? After the sea levels rise (wasn't it supposed to have already happened by now?) there won't be many Dem voters left according to this map!
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