ComradeKayAdams Posted March 23 Posted March 23 13 hours ago, muppy said: I am paging la senorita amiga comrade kay to the chat. I bet SHE won't diss my classy exotic Sexy albeit demure sleeveless Black fringe dress. The word on the street is Vintage Means not only old.But EXPENSIVE. Le Muppe' is no cheap floozie type. My job defines me NOT. so there Leo @ComradeKayAdams on a serious note I am obsessed with this dress. She is a HOT TAMALE. red heart sparkle earrings and black fringe, great legs. SO TALENTED I LOVE HER I've been back to read this thread already like 3 times LMAO Sup, Mup?! THANK YOU SO MUCH for hijacking this ridiculous thread and turning it into a substantive conversation on women’s fashion. Everything that needed to be said here on anthropogenic global warming has probably already been said. I am, sadly, quite familiar with the Martin Durkin/Tom Nelson film, “Climate: The Movie.” If anyone has genuine scientific questions specifically related to this terrible movie, I’ll be happy to discuss them. Otherwise… << Narrator: The collective readership sighs, bracing themselves for another obnoxiously long post… >> Your black dress is fine, Muppy. Don’t let Leh-nerd fashion bully you. For one thing, most black dresses are essentially considered timeless. You can also accessorize it with knee-high boots or a crop top jacket, or you can alter the hemline or the tassels. But don’t be afraid of clothing considered “vintage.” Commie Kay Fashion Fun Fact: I have several uber-vintage dresses that have worked themselves into my semi-regular rotation. I’ve collected Edith Head Hollywood facsimiles that began as Halloween costumes, but now I leisurely wear them out to parks or to Brooklyn hipster house parties and they’re a major hit! If you’re looking in general for a demure style that’s contemporary and classy, I can tell you that maxi dresses are very popular here in NYC (and presumably also in Paris…and Milan, London, etc.). If you want to go bold and contemporary, form-fitting bodycon is the way to go. And you can never go wrong with monochromatic or floral patterns, IMO. PM me for details if you’d like. I’m also curious about the differences between SoCal style trends and Northeast style trends. Even between Manhattan and Brooklyn (and definitely Buffalo!), they can vary considerably. Let us now address The Fundamental Fashion Tao of Commie Kay: 1. Choose a style that’s uniquely YOU: fashion is supposed to be personal, self-descriptive, and artistic. Don’t get too caught up in the latest fads or the uber-competitive milieu that is Paris, the location of Leh-nerd’s film. Also, ignore any Leh-nerd-like misogynistic mocking or bro bromides. Go haute couture if you’d like, but not if it makes you feel internally unsettled (I personally find more fulfillment in the challenge of seeking out clothes that are both inexpensive and fashionable). 2. Accentuate your best attributes and divert from your flaws: Know your body shape, skin tone, and facial features. Having a close friend who is comfortable keeping it real with you is invaluable. If you have Brie Larson abs, dress like Brie Larson. But if you’re mortal…Commie Kay Fashion Cheat Code: skater dresses, patterned hosiery, and heels make a great combo regardless of body type. If you’re in Paris, though, I’d upgrade this to a hemline at least halfway up the thigh, ultra-sheer pantyhose, and 4+ inch heels…IF IT IS IMPERATIVE (despite my previous paragraph’s theme) that your cosmopolitan peers know you are a SARTORIAL SLAYER and that you are NOT. EFFING. AROUND. WITH. FASHION. 3. Stay mindful of what’s appropriate for the occasion: Leh-nerd is making you a hostess in his movie, but he also forward slashed “brothel” with “vegan restaurant.” The difference clearly matters. Further clarification from him is needed. In the meantime, as a hostess of some sort, I would say maybe go with a super cute blazer dress?? P.S. I, too, have a current fashion obsession: this Oscar de la Renta red floral bandage dress that Emily Blunt is modeling below! I think I shall wear this in Leh-nerd’s jejune right-wing propaganda movie. I suppose John Krasinski (bonus points: fellow Polish-American!) could fill in for Tiberius? Poor Tibsy’s crooked smile and lazy eye just won’t work on the silver screen. Gary Oldman (or Gary Busey?! Eek!) can play Irv. George Wendt will play B-Man. Bob Odenkirk will play The Frankish Reich. Sloth from The Goonies will play Leh-nerd, obviously. 2 1
muppy Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Sup, Mup?! THANK YOU SO MUCH for hijacking this ridiculous thread and turning it into a substantive conversation on women’s fashion. Everything that needed to be said here on anthropogenic global warming has probably already been said. I am, sadly, quite familiar with the Martin Durkin/Tom Nelson film, “Climate: The Movie.” If anyone has genuine scientific questions specifically related to this terrible movie, I’ll be happy to discuss them. Otherwise… << Narrator: The collective readership sighs, bracing themselves for another obnoxiously long post… >> Your black dress is fine, Muppy. Don’t let Leh-nerd fashion bully you. For one thing, most black dresses are essentially considered timeless. You can also accessorize it with knee-high boots or a crop top jacket, or you can alter the hemline or the tassels. But don’t be afraid of clothing considered “vintage.” Commie Kay Fashion Fun Fact: I have several uber-vintage dresses that have worked themselves into my semi-regular rotation. I’ve collected Edith Head Hollywood facsimiles that began as Halloween costumes, but now I leisurely wear them out to parks or to Brooklyn hipster house parties and they’re a major hit! If you’re looking in general for a demure style that’s contemporary and classy, I can tell you that maxi dresses are very popular here in NYC (and presumably also in Paris…and Milan, London, etc.). If you want to go bold and contemporary, form-fitting bodycon is the way to go. And you can never go wrong with monochromatic or floral patterns, IMO. PM me for details if you’d like. I’m also curious about the differences between SoCal style trends and Northeast style trends. Even between Manhattan and Brooklyn (and definitely Buffalo!), they can vary considerably. Let us now address The Fundamental Fashion Tao of Commie Kay: 1. Choose a style that’s uniquely YOU: fashion is supposed to be personal, self-descriptive, and artistic. Don’t get too caught up in the latest fads or the uber-competitive milieu that is Paris, the location of Leh-nerd’s film. Also, ignore any Leh-nerd-like misogynistic mocking or bro bromides. Go haute couture if you’d like, but not if it makes you feel internally unsettled (I personally find more fulfillment in the challenge of seeking out clothes that are both inexpensive and fashionable). 2. Accentuate your best attributes and divert from your flaws: Know your body shape, skin tone, and facial features. Having a close friend who is comfortable keeping it real with you is invaluable. If you have Brie Larson abs, dress like Brie Larson. But if you’re mortal…Commie Kay Fashion Cheat Code: skater dresses, patterned hosiery, and heels make a great combo regardless of body type. If you’re in Paris, though, I’d upgrade this to a hemline at least halfway up the thigh, ultra-sheer pantyhose, and 4+ inch heels…IF IT IS IMPERATIVE (despite my previous paragraph’s theme) that your cosmopolitan peers know you are a SARTORIAL SLAYER and that you are NOT. EFFING. AROUND. WITH. FASHION. 3. Stay mindful of what’s appropriate for the occasion: Leh-nerd is making you a hostess in his movie, but he also forward slashed “brothel” with “vegan restaurant.” The difference clearly matters. Further clarification from him is needed. In the meantime, as a hostess of some sort, I would say maybe go with a super cute blazer dress?? P.S. I, too, have a current fashion obsession: this Oscar de la Renta red floral bandage dress that Emily Blunt is modeling below! I think I shall wear this in Leh-nerd’s jejune right-wing propaganda movie. I suppose John Krasinski (bonus points: fellow Polish-American!) could fill in for Tiberius? Poor Tibsy’s crooked smile and lazy eye just won’t work on the silver screen. Gary Oldman (or Gary Busey?! Eek!) can play Irv. George Wendt will play B-Man. Bob Odenkirk will play The Frankish Reich. Sloth from The Goonies will play Leh-nerd, obviously. I didn't get past the first sentence and the LOVE Kay. You are beloved. by ME *mu-ah* a sister fashionista I am here for it chica :-))))) you go girl ♥️ my loquacious and smart AF Amiga. BRAVO! Gorgeous red dress. Next year for the Academy awards we will do a "red carpet looks critique" My best Dressed 2024 was Cynthia Erivo in dark green leather sculptured with train. Total art piece forget fashion statement. great to read you. m Edited March 23 by muppy 1 1
Tiberius Posted March 23 Posted March 23 3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Sup, Mup?! THANK YOU SO MUCH for hijacking this ridiculous thread and turning it into a substantive conversation on women’s fashion. Everything that needed to be said here on anthropogenic global warming has probably already been said. I am, sadly, quite familiar with the Martin Durkin/Tom Nelson film, “Climate: The Movie.” If anyone has genuine scientific questions specifically related to this terrible movie, I’ll be happy to discuss them. Otherwise… << Narrator: The collective readership sighs, bracing themselves for another obnoxiously long post… >> Your black dress is fine, Muppy. Don’t let Leh-nerd fashion bully you. For one thing, most black dresses are essentially considered timeless. You can also accessorize it with knee-high boots or a crop top jacket, or you can alter the hemline or the tassels. But don’t be afraid of clothing considered “vintage.” Commie Kay Fashion Fun Fact: I have several uber-vintage dresses that have worked themselves into my semi-regular rotation. I’ve collected Edith Head Hollywood facsimiles that began as Halloween costumes, but now I leisurely wear them out to parks or to Brooklyn hipster house parties and they’re a major hit! If you’re looking in general for a demure style that’s contemporary and classy, I can tell you that maxi dresses are very popular here in NYC (and presumably also in Paris…and Milan, London, etc.). If you want to go bold and contemporary, form-fitting bodycon is the way to go. And you can never go wrong with monochromatic or floral patterns, IMO. PM me for details if you’d like. I’m also curious about the differences between SoCal style trends and Northeast style trends. Even between Manhattan and Brooklyn (and definitely Buffalo!), they can vary considerably. Let us now address The Fundamental Fashion Tao of Commie Kay: 1. Choose a style that’s uniquely YOU: fashion is supposed to be personal, self-descriptive, and artistic. Don’t get too caught up in the latest fads or the uber-competitive milieu that is Paris, the location of Leh-nerd’s film. Also, ignore any Leh-nerd-like misogynistic mocking or bro bromides. Go haute couture if you’d like, but not if it makes you feel internally unsettled (I personally find more fulfillment in the challenge of seeking out clothes that are both inexpensive and fashionable). 2. Accentuate your best attributes and divert from your flaws: Know your body shape, skin tone, and facial features. Having a close friend who is comfortable keeping it real with you is invaluable. If you have Brie Larson abs, dress like Brie Larson. But if you’re mortal…Commie Kay Fashion Cheat Code: skater dresses, patterned hosiery, and heels make a great combo regardless of body type. If you’re in Paris, though, I’d upgrade this to a hemline at least halfway up the thigh, ultra-sheer pantyhose, and 4+ inch heels…IF IT IS IMPERATIVE (despite my previous paragraph’s theme) that your cosmopolitan peers know you are a SARTORIAL SLAYER and that you are NOT. EFFING. AROUND. WITH. FASHION. 3. Stay mindful of what’s appropriate for the occasion: Leh-nerd is making you a hostess in his movie, but he also forward slashed “brothel” with “vegan restaurant.” The difference clearly matters. Further clarification from him is needed. In the meantime, as a hostess of some sort, I would say maybe go with a super cute blazer dress?? P.S. I, too, have a current fashion obsession: this Oscar de la Renta red floral bandage dress that Emily Blunt is modeling below! I think I shall wear this in Leh-nerd’s jejune right-wing propaganda movie. I suppose John Krasinski (bonus points: fellow Polish-American!) could fill in for Tiberius? Poor Tibsy’s crooked smile and lazy eye just won’t work on the silver screen. Gary Oldman (or Gary Busey?! Eek!) can play Irv. George Wendt will play B-Man. Bob Odenkirk will play The Frankish Reich. Sloth from The Goonies will play Leh-nerd, obviously. I only have a lazy eye and crooked smile in the movie, all acting! But my hair is pretty long. 1 1
Doc Posted March 23 Posted March 23 4 hours ago, muppy said: attn senor Leo. let's tally the Vote. le muppy in her "pictures don't do it justice" WOW dress ONE Leo's take on my dress zero lol Thanks Doc! red carpet worthy 100% #Perfection TCK 🖤 is for my gorgeous dress. haters gonna hate 😇 Gonna need to see proof of this now.
muppy Posted March 23 Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Doc said: Gonna need to see proof of this now. no trust in the PPP forum NONE. My word is golden ask Kay or Leo LOL l😇 2 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 3/23/2024 at 12:10 PM, Big Blitz said: Omg That was painful. 2
Precision Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Funny how many of the states below are net importers of electricity. I suspect that as demand increases with the transition to EV's, the importing states will be paying a premium for electricity. 8 states are planning to BAN the sale of gas-powered cars entirely - after Biden unveiled ambitious plans to phase them out by 2032 "According to personal finance site Money, California was the first state to adopt the Advanced Clean Cars II rule, which will put a complete ban to new sales of gas-powered cars by 2035. Rhode Island was the most recent state to join the list of states pledging to ban the sale of gas-powered cars, joining Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington. According to the site, the District of Columbia has also made the commitment. " 1
B-Man Posted March 26 Posted March 26 AL GORE HARDEST HIT: ‘There’s Been No Increase’: Scientists Debunk Climate Change Claims About Hurricanes. https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/theres-been-no-increase-scientists-debunk-climate-change-claims-about-hurricanes-5608497
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, B-Man said: AL GORE HARDEST HIT: ‘There’s Been No Increase’: Scientists Debunk Climate Change Claims About Hurricanes. https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/theres-been-no-increase-scientists-debunk-climate-change-claims-about-hurricanes-5608497 If true, I think Al is ultimately a victim here. He's spent considerable time, money and effort to buy someone else's ability to pollute the planet on a massive scale, only to find it may have been for naught. #tragic
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/23/2024 at 6:26 PM, muppy said: no trust in the PPP forum NONE. My word is golden ask Kay or Leo LOL l😇 Muppy! Speaking of black dresses…quick fashion question for ya: honest thoughts on a black velvet maxi with torso cut-outs and a thigh slit?? I’m thinking about wearing one tomorrow night to a formal dinner and work-related speaker event with a bunch of fellow engineer types. It’s my go-to L.B.D. variant and among my most favorite selections in my entire wardrobe arsenal. The fashion goals here are confidence, functionality, class, and elegance. It’s actually not too dissimilar from what EmRata is wearing in the Vogue pic below, which is like straight out of the Garment District. Key differences: one torso cut in the middle, a torso cut on each side, mostly backless, halter choker, side thigh slit, none of the silver ornaments in the front, also no Jimmy Choo heels lol….my dress is probably one-tenth the price of hers. The material is very heavy: a synthetic polymer-based (so no silk-based) velvet fabric that fits very tightly around the waist before collapsing straight down at the hips. I have no idea how cold the restaurant and speaker hall will be, but I also have the option of a couple cropped black cardigans…off-the-shoulder or regular long-sleeved. Gracias! -Commie Kay P.S. To those who don’t like me hijacking the global warming thread: just ask me specific questions on “Climate: The Movie.” I’ve already seen it. It’s total trash, and I’ll explain why. Hey, you know what’s not trash?? BLACK VELVET MAXI DRESSES.
muppy Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) On 3/29/2024 at 1:16 PM, ComradeKayAdams said: Muppy! Speaking of black dresses…quick fashion question for ya: honest thoughts on a black velvet maxi with torso cut-outs and a thigh slit?? I’m thinking about wearing one tomorrow night to a formal dinner and work-related speaker event with a bunch of fellow engineer types. It’s my go-to L.B.D. variant and among my most favorite selections in my entire wardrobe arsenal. The fashion goals here are confidence, functionality, class, and elegance. It’s actually not too dissimilar from what EmRata is wearing in the Vogue pic below, which is like straight out of the Garment District. Key differences: one torso cut in the middle, a torso cut on each side, mostly backless, halter choker, side thigh slit, none of the silver ornaments in the front, also no Jimmy Choo heels lol….my dress is probably one-tenth the price of hers. The material is very heavy: a synthetic polymer-based (so no silk-based) velvet fabric that fits very tightly around the waist before collapsing straight down at the hips. I have no idea how cold the restaurant and speaker hall will be, but I also have the option of a couple cropped black cardigans…off-the-shoulder or regular long-sleeved. Gracias! -Commie Kay P.S. To those who don’t like me hijacking the global warming thread: just ask me specific questions on “Climate: The Movie.” I’ve already seen it. It’s total trash, and I’ll explain why. Hey, you know what’s not trash?? BLACK VELVET MAXI DRESSES. Kay! I've been busy with my gerber baby ggranddaughter lately. I hope you see this in time. Let me just say this. Kay honey if you have a dress similar to this JUST WEAR IT. I would definitely have a wrap of some sort for warmth and dress it up. A black leather shrug? I love off the shoulder. I trust your judgment. GORGEOUS Amiga 🙂 I think that silhouette would be flattering for most women. Edited March 30 by muppy 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted April 2 Posted April 2 On 3/30/2024 at 2:48 PM, muppy said: Kay! I've been busy with my gerber baby ggranddaughter lately. I hope you see this in time. Let me just say this. Kay honey if you have a dress similar to this JUST WEAR IT. I would definitely have a wrap of some sort for warmth and dress it up. A black leather shrug? I love off the shoulder. I trust your judgment. GORGEOUS Amiga 🙂 I think that silhouette would be flattering for most women. I hope you had a happy Easter, Muppy, and I’m glad you were able to spend it with your new granddaughter! The black velvet maxi turned out to be a little too risque for the speaker event LOLOL! In an auditorium with about 60-70 other chicas, my outfit was easily showing the most skin. I was so self-conscious about it that I ended up wearing my outdoor jacket for the entirety of the indoor event. But the auditorium was refrigerator-level cold, so it was no big deal. Live and learn! On the bright side, I missed that Sabres game because of this speaker event…ugh…Lindy Ruff for coach?? Okay okay, time to return this thread to the proper subject at hand. I can sense the PPP denizens getting restless…see ya around, Muppy, both here and at BillsFans.com! On 3/30/2024 at 3:30 PM, Roundybout said: This is a very odd thread Yes, indeed! It is quite odd, in the year 2024, to be having a debate on the scientific merit of anthropogenic climate change. And yet here we are… So my brief review of “Climate: The Movie,” in outline form: 1. A barrage of scientific truths that were presented in non-sequitur form: climate is always changing, Earth’s atmosphere has had much higher levels of carbon dioxide during its history, Earth has had much warmer epochs throughout its history, Earth has experienced much greater climate temperature variations in its past, plants have a Brawndo-like craving for carbon dioxide, blah blah blah. 2. Examples of garbled scientific logic and cherry-picked data: the part on the temperature vs. carbon dioxide relationship was completely incoherent and included chicken/egg causality sleights of hand. The part on extreme weather events was consistently (and deliberately) unclear on the details of factors like geographical locations of inquiry, timeframes, number of events, and severity of events. 3. Examples of scientific lies by omission: the infamous urban heat island effect was presented, but the film neglected to mention that this well-known effect has already been quantified and universally accounted for in the climate data. The cosmic ray theory was cute, too: as solar magnetic field activity increases, more cosmic rays are deflected as they approach Earth, cloud formation (due to the ionizing effect from the cosmic rays in the atmosphere) decreases, less incoming solar energy is then reflected due to the decrease in cloud coverage, and so the planet surface warms. What the film conveniently didn’t mention is that none of the aforementioned (besides the warming planet) have been measured to have occurred at any appreciable extent over the past several decades! Moreover, this theory is undermined by observations of both comparatively greater nighttime warming as well as stratosphere cooling (FYI: this stratosphere cooling is essentially the smoking gun of anthropogenic warming causality…as opposed to a natural solar warming causal explanation…but of course that still won’t stop the right-wing skeptics…). 4. Social commentary on climate change: oh em gee…so much movie time was spent covering all possible groups of people who may stand to benefit from the climate change emergency. Ironically enough, there was no mention of the people who are funding the people funding this right-wing propaganda film. 5. Polemical libertarianism: fearmongering of Marxists, communists, socialists, big government, any critics of laissez-faire capitalism, etc…the movie clearly has a predetermined economics conclusion and works backward to make the scientific narrative fit. This Ayn Rand-inspired economics conclusion is that curmudgeonly misanthropes who hate the social contract and hate paying taxes don’t want to be held accountable for their negative externalities. 2 1
4th&long Posted April 2 Posted April 2 54 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: I hope you had a happy Easter, Muppy, and I’m glad you were able to spend it with your new granddaughter! The black velvet maxi turned out to be a little too risque for the speaker event LOLOL! In an auditorium with about 60-70 other chicas, my outfit was easily showing the most skin. I was so self-conscious about it that I ended up wearing my outdoor jacket for the entirety of the indoor event. But the auditorium was refrigerator-level cold, so it was no big deal. Live and learn! On the bright side, I missed that Sabres game because of this speaker event…ugh…Lindy Ruff for coach?? Okay okay, time to return this thread to the proper subject at hand. I can sense the PPP denizens getting restless…see ya around, Muppy, both here and at BillsFans.com! Yes, indeed! It is quite odd, in the year 2024, to be having a debate on the scientific merit of anthropogenic climate change. And yet here we are… So my brief review of “Climate: The Movie,” in outline form: 1. A barrage of scientific truths that were presented in non-sequitur form: climate is always changing, Earth’s atmosphere has had much higher levels of carbon dioxide during its history, Earth has had much warmer epochs throughout its history, Earth has experienced much greater climate temperature variations in its past, plants have a Brawndo-like craving for carbon dioxide, blah blah blah. 2. Examples of garbled scientific logic and cherry-picked data: the part on the temperature vs. carbon dioxide relationship was completely incoherent and included chicken/egg causality sleights of hand. The part on extreme weather events was consistently (and deliberately) unclear on the details of factors like geographical locations of inquiry, timeframes, number of events, and severity of events. 3. Examples of scientific lies by omission: the infamous urban heat island effect was presented, but the film neglected to mention that this well-known effect has already been quantified and universally accounted for in the climate data. The cosmic ray theory was cute, too: as solar magnetic field activity increases, more cosmic rays are deflected as they approach Earth, cloud formation (due to the ionizing effect from the cosmic rays in the atmosphere) decreases, less incoming solar energy is then reflected due to the decrease in cloud coverage, and so the planet surface warms. What the film conveniently didn’t mention is that none of the aforementioned (besides the warming planet) have been measured to have occurred at any appreciable extent over the past several decades! Moreover, this theory is undermined by observations of both comparatively greater nighttime warming as well as stratosphere cooling (FYI: this stratosphere cooling is essentially the smoking gun of anthropogenic warming causality…as opposed to a natural solar warming causal explanation…but of course that still won’t stop the right-wing skeptics…). 4. Social commentary on climate change: oh em gee…so much movie time was spent covering all possible groups of people who may stand to benefit from the climate change emergency. Ironically enough, there was no mention of the people who are funding the people funding this right-wing propaganda film. 5. Polemical libertarianism: fearmongering of Marxists, communists, socialists, big government, any critics of laissez-faire capitalism, etc…the movie clearly has a predetermined economics conclusion and works backward to make the scientific narrative fit. This Ayn Rand-inspired economics conclusion is that curmudgeonly misanthropes who hate the social contract and hate paying taxes don’t want to be held accountable for their negative externalities. I love your posts, I learn something everyone you post! Keep posting!! 1 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 2 Posted April 2 8 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: I hope you had a happy Easter, Muppy, and I’m glad you were able to spend it with your new granddaughter! The black velvet maxi turned out to be a little too risque for the speaker event LOLOL! In an auditorium with about 60-70 other chicas, my outfit was easily showing the most skin. I was so self-conscious about it that I ended up wearing my outdoor jacket for the entirety of the indoor event. But the auditorium was refrigerator-level cold, so it was no big deal. Live and learn! On the bright side, I missed that Sabres game because of this speaker event…ugh…Lindy Ruff for coach?? Okay okay, time to return this thread to the proper subject at hand. I can sense the PPP denizens getting restless…see ya around, Muppy, both here and at BillsFans.com! Yes, indeed! It is quite odd, in the year 2024, to be having a debate on the scientific merit of anthropogenic climate change. And yet here we are… So my brief review of “Climate: The Movie,” in outline form: 1. A barrage of scientific truths that were presented in non-sequitur form: climate is always changing, Earth’s atmosphere has had much higher levels of carbon dioxide during its history, Earth has had much warmer epochs throughout its history, Earth has experienced much greater climate temperature variations in its past, plants have a Brawndo-like craving for carbon dioxide, blah blah blah. 2. Examples of garbled scientific logic and cherry-picked data: the part on the temperature vs. carbon dioxide relationship was completely incoherent and included chicken/egg causality sleights of hand. The part on extreme weather events was consistently (and deliberately) unclear on the details of factors like geographical locations of inquiry, timeframes, number of events, and severity of events. 3. Examples of scientific lies by omission: the infamous urban heat island effect was presented, but the film neglected to mention that this well-known effect has already been quantified and universally accounted for in the climate data. The cosmic ray theory was cute, too: as solar magnetic field activity increases, more cosmic rays are deflected as they approach Earth, cloud formation (due to the ionizing effect from the cosmic rays in the atmosphere) decreases, less incoming solar energy is then reflected due to the decrease in cloud coverage, and so the planet surface warms. What the film conveniently didn’t mention is that none of the aforementioned (besides the warming planet) have been measured to have occurred at any appreciable extent over the past several decades! Moreover, this theory is undermined by observations of both comparatively greater nighttime warming as well as stratosphere cooling (FYI: this stratosphere cooling is essentially the smoking gun of anthropogenic warming causality…as opposed to a natural solar warming causal explanation…but of course that still won’t stop the right-wing skeptics…). 4. Social commentary on climate change: oh em gee…so much movie time was spent covering all possible groups of people who may stand to benefit from the climate change emergency. Ironically enough, there was no mention of the people who are funding the people funding this right-wing propaganda film. 5. Polemical libertarianism: fearmongering of Marxists, communists, socialists, big government, any critics of laissez-faire capitalism, etc…the movie clearly has a predetermined economics conclusion and works backward to make the scientific narrative fit. This Ayn Rand-inspired economics conclusion is that curmudgeonly misanthropes who hate the social contract and hate paying taxes don’t want to be held accountable for their negative externalities. A problem with determining the temperature of the Earth is that at any point in time the actual temperature varies from point to point. It can be -50 at the poles and 100 degrees at the equator at the exact same time. So what's the temperature of the Earth? The temperature needs to be derived through employment of a method or process. And unless you understand the method or process used, validate it, and use it consistently you can't conclude with any confidence the results are accurate or a true representation of what is actually happening.
ComradeKayAdams Posted April 3 Posted April 3 13 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: A problem with determining the temperature of the Earth is that at any point in time the actual temperature varies from point to point. It can be -50 at the poles and 100 degrees at the equator at the exact same time. So what's the temperature of the Earth? The temperature needs to be derived through employment of a method or process. And unless you understand the method or process used, validate it, and use it consistently you can't conclude with any confidence the results are accurate or a true representation of what is actually happening. So you’re referring to the GLOBAL mean surface temperature, which I think is currently ~59 degrees F. It’s calculated by taking the average of enough LOCAL mean surface temperatures across the planet. These local data points are about equally spaced from each other and form a spherically symmetrical pattern. The number can be calculated manually, but most computers trivially find it with numerical integration techniques. Each data point representing each local mean surface temperature is similarly found by calculating local temperature averages across equally spaced time increments, over the course of a full year. The annual delta of Earth’s mean surface temperature is what tells us the net heat trapping from the greenhouse effect. You can never rely on local mean surface temperatures to give you the full story because global warming is never uniform. Western New York could be experiencing an unusually cold year under global warming conditions, while Florida and Brazil and the Middle East and Russia and Antarctica could all be experiencing unusually warm years. If you’ve ever seen global annual heat maps, you’ll see a mix of hot and cold spots but overall much more heat. But that’s just the surface temperature. There are also temperature measurements for the ocean and for the different layers of the atmosphere. My new challenge to all the anthropogenic climate change skeptics here: explain why our troposphere is heating up while our stratosphere is cooling?? Throughout most of Earth’s history, we know that climate has been dependent on interactions with the Sun: either from solar weather variations or from the periodic peculiarities of Earth’s motion about the Sun. The exceptions have been geothermal activity like volcanoes and related atmospheric composition changes. So if the current observed global warming is related to planetary interactions with the Sun, then the atmospheric heating should be uniform. But it’s not. Why is that?? FYI: for those who want to suggest cloud coverage, keep in mind that cloud effects vary greatly by type, height in the sky, and time of the day (reflective during the day and insulating at night). Climate data indicates that these effects can quickly cancel each other out, so evidence for any longstanding cloud-related positive feedback loop that initiated global warming is highly unlikely. 3 1
4th&long Posted April 3 Posted April 3 12 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: So you’re referring to the GLOBAL mean surface temperature, which I think is currently ~59 degrees F. It’s calculated by taking the average of enough LOCAL mean surface temperatures across the planet. These local data points are about equally spaced from each other and form a spherically symmetrical pattern. The number can be calculated manually, but most computers trivially find it with numerical integration techniques. Each data point representing each local mean surface temperature is similarly found by calculating local temperature averages across equally spaced time increments, over the course of a full year. The annual delta of Earth’s mean surface temperature is what tells us the net heat trapping from the greenhouse effect. You can never rely on local mean surface temperatures to give you the full story because global warming is never uniform. Western New York could be experiencing an unusually cold year under global warming conditions, while Florida and Brazil and the Middle East and Russia and Antarctica could all be experiencing unusually warm years. If you’ve ever seen global annual heat maps, you’ll see a mix of hot and cold spots but overall much more heat. But that’s just the surface temperature. There are also temperature measurements for the ocean and for the different layers of the atmosphere. My new challenge to all the anthropogenic climate change skeptics here: explain why our troposphere is heating up while our stratosphere is cooling?? Throughout most of Earth’s history, we know that climate has been dependent on interactions with the Sun: either from solar weather variations or from the periodic peculiarities of Earth’s motion about the Sun. The exceptions have been geothermal activity like volcanoes and related atmospheric composition changes. So if the current observed global warming is related to planetary interactions with the Sun, then the atmospheric heating should be uniform. But it’s not. Why is that?? FYI: for those who want to suggest cloud coverage, keep in mind that cloud effects vary greatly by type, height in the sky, and time of the day (reflective during the day and insulating at night). Climate data indicates that these effects can quickly cancel each other out, so evidence for any longstanding cloud-related positive feedback loop that initiated global warming is highly unlikely. Your turn boys! Anybody want to argue with that? 1
Recommended Posts