Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Fossil fuels costs so so much more than replacing a turbine or power line. So you’re saying it’s NOT free?? You’re so confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Foxx said: there is a severe dichotomy here between your desires to move away from fossil fuels and the corruption of the elitist. until there can be graft and a revenue stream incorporated into the fields of new sources of energy production for the elite few, it. is. never. going. to happen. period. secondly, it is never going to pivot on a dime. changing direction for a behemoth as large as the energy sector is required a wide berth. if indeed we have only a decade left, you might as well enjoy it. 1) Yes, big oil and coal interests are dead set against this, that includes the corrupt Saudis and Putin, and is why, in big measure, they support Trump. But we do live in a democracy, and change is coming, led by the progressive states 2) I agree, with the first part, carrot and stick method will be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1) Yes, big oil and coal interests are dead set against this, that includes the corrupt Saudis and Putin, and is why, in big measure, they support Trump. But we do live in a democracy, and change is coming, led by the progressive states 2) I agree, with the first part, carrot and stick method will be required. Your Putin puppet string is showing. Regulating domestic energy out of business without practical alternatives only increases the power of the Middle Eastern ruling class and Putin. Nobody here is saying that we should not look at alternatives but they realize that those are long term objectives. Despite all your nonsense I will wish you a good Thanksgiving as well as the rest of the board here (of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1) Yes, big oil and coal interests are dead set against this, that includes the corrupt Saudis and Putin, and is why, in big measure, they support Trump. But we do live in a democracy, and change is coming, led by the progressive states 2) I agree, with the first part, carrot and stick method will be required. I’m still wondering. Is wind and solar free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 The US exporting LNG a clean fuel that will someday run out is a mistake . Diesel trucks can be converted to run on natural gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, ALF said: The US exporting LNG a clean fuel that will someday run out is a mistake . Diesel trucks can be converted to run on natural gas. Last I knew LP was not as efficient in terms of cost and that is how businesses ultimately make decisions. An area propane supplier used to have LP delivery trucks but even they ditched those trucks in favor of diesel. I am not aware of any work being done towards modernizing LP combustion engine technology so I doubt anything has changed on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 12 hours ago, ScotSHO said: It is important to point this out all the time to Greenies. Free is what all the Greenies think. But unfortunately for them, Carnot's Cycle never loses. Ask the dummies in charge of maintaining the defunct windmills in Lackawanna how much it costs to keep them spinning. They thought they would run for free forever, and lookie what happened. They all stopped spinning. Huh, who would have thought. Now they need more taxpayer money to "rehab" them. Buttholes. Never mind putting the turbines in that spot. There's a little thing called "too much wind" that shuts the windmills down. 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I’m still wondering. Is wind and solar free? It's free to me dammit. I don't have to pay to see the sun and have a nice breeze wash over my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, GG said: Never mind putting the turbines in that spot. There's a little thing called "too much wind" that shuts the windmills down. It's free to me dammit. I don't have to pay to see the sun and have a nice breeze wash over my face. Not true!! I pay a boatload to live in sunny California near the beach with it’s breezes. And I’d be interested to hear more about the turbines being shut down. We drive out to Palm Springs a lot and there are always a LOT of turbines not spinning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Not true!! I pay a boatload to live in sunny California near the beach with it’s breezes. And I’d be interested to hear more about the turbines being shut down. We drive out to Palm Springs a lot and there are always a LOT of turbines not spinning. The beauty of the renewable energy promise. Turbines don't spin when wind is under 10mph or so or beyond 50 mph (although I've heard of slower shut down speeds, especially in populated areas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 15 hours ago, Chef Jim said: What is the annual maintenance and replacement cost for solar and wind? Free. ? Third time in 12 years: https://buffalonews.com/2019/11/16/why-lackawannas-wind-turbines-dont-always-blow-in-the-wind/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 You can’t talk to a 3rd grader about quantum physics and that is why you can’t talk to people who see it snow in November about climate change. Climate change is real. As had been said in 225 pages it is a change on a global scale. Sometimes the small pieces of weather that cumulatively make up that climate are warmer, colder, wetter;etc. for even months at a time but the overall data is unmistakeable. The world is warmer, the jet stream patterns keep changing, and there are more extreme weather events. Bottom line is doing nothing may not kill us or our kids, but the human race will go extinct much sooner rather than later. As an aside: It’s funny because all we do is complain about the lack of jobs yet the new energy sector jobs will dominate the near term and future economy ! We can either choose to dominate that or let China dominate it. I guess it’s easier to pretend we live in 1970 and just keep using coal and oil. Imagine if we made all the cell phones and laptops now? Now imagine if we made all the fuel cells and turbines and charging stations and smart highways, etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Locomark said: As an aside: It’s funny because all we do is complain about the lack of jobs yet the new energy sector jobs will dominate the near term and future economy ! We can either choose to dominate that or let China dominate it. I guess it’s easier to pretend we live in 1970 and just keep using coal and oil. Imagine if we made all the cell phones and laptops now? Now imagine if we made all the fuel cells and turbines and charging stations and smart highways, etc. Who made it so we don't make those cell phones and laptops now? Was it the globalist push? Yup. The same push that wants us to gut our economy for the sake of the "world". You need to get your talking points straight -- innovation is the way forward, you cannot innovate if you're restarting your economy. The "green new deal" and its variants would do precisely that to this country, put us WAY behind the curve and make it less likely that the USA is the one to innovate our way to a real clean energy revolution. But who needs to think about details when you've got hot talking points to push out from your NPC programmers! FORWARD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Who made it so we don't make those cell phones and laptops now? Was it the globalist push? Yup. The same push that wants us to gut our economy for the sake of the "world". You need to get your talking points straight -- innovation is the way forward, you cannot innovate if you're restarting your economy. The "green new deal" and its variants would do precisely that to this country, put us WAY behind the curve and make it less likely that the USA is the one to innovate our way to a real clean energy revolution. But who needs to think about details when you've got hot talking points to push out from your NPC programmers! FORWARD! You can innovate and not raise global temperatures . They can be mutually exclusive. That’s a bad argument you make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Who made it so we don't make those cell phones and laptops now? Was it the globalist push? Yup. The same push that wants us to gut our economy for the sake of the "world". You need to get your talking points straight -- innovation is the way forward Innovation isn't the way forward, it's just a word people use when they don't know the way forward but they're damned sure someone else will figure it out for them. It's how ######s justify their ######edness. Nothing more. 1 minute ago, Locomark said: You can innovate and not raise global temperatures . They can be mutually exclusive. That’s a bad argument you make. Case in point. "You can innovate." What the ***** does that even mean? "You can innovate." That's verbage used by clowns who haven't a coherent though in their empty little heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Innovation isn't the way forward, it's just a word people use when they don't know the way forward but they're damned sure someone else will figure it out for them. It's how ######s justify their ######edness. Nothing more. Disagree in part. Innovation, moving from fossil fuels to a new form of energy will require a technological advancement (or, you know, releasing the stuff we already have hidden behind Nat Sec patents). Completely agree that I'm not a person who's going to stumble across such an innovation or new technology with my skill set. Which is why I rely on people like yourself 4 minutes ago, Locomark said: You can innovate and not raise global temperatures . They can be mutually exclusive. That’s a bad argument you make. It is a bad argument. Sadly, for you, it's not one I made. Try reading it again. A country that is struggling economically will not be at the forefront of the new energy revolution -- it will come from a vibrant economy, which we have and the plans you're (likely) supporting would gut. You're globalist masters would be proud of you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Disagree in part. Innovation, moving from fossil fuels to a new form of energy will require a technological advancement (or, you know, releasing the stuff we already have hidden behind Nat Sec patents). Completely agree that I'm not a person who's going to stumble across such an innovation or new technology with my skill set. Which is why I rely on people like yourself Then go sit at the kids table with locomark. "Innovation" isn't a thing that happens, it's an abstract description of things that have already happened. As such, you can't plan, predict, drive, or motivate "innovation." The idea that you can somehow rely on an abstract adjective for concrete solutions to abstract problems is the pabulum of simple-minded children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Then go sit at the kids table with locomark. "Innovation" isn't a thing that happens, it's an abstract description of things that have already happened. As such, you can't plan, predict, drive, or motivate "innovation." The idea that you can somehow rely on an abstract adjective for concrete solutions to abstract problems is the pabulum of simple-minded children. There's not benefit to well funded R&D departments whose focus is on problem solving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, GG said: The beauty of the renewable energy promise. Turbines don't spin when wind is under 10mph or so or beyond 50 mph (although I've heard of slower shut down speeds, especially in populated areas) Ok. The winds in PS blow really hard pretty much all the time. If they are shut down because the wind is blowing too hard and they are shut down more than not this is some top notch planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: There's not benefit to well funded R&D departments whose focus is on problem solving? No, there's no benefit to shouting "innovate!" and pretending you're doing something. R&D doesn't innovate, they research and develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, bbb said: Third time in 12 years: https://buffalonews.com/2019/11/16/why-lackawannas-wind-turbines-dont-always-blow-in-the-wind/ Yeah but it's clean!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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