Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Seriously...every year since I've moved here, DC gets at least one heat wave that's a week long with temperatures of 95+ and heat indexes of 105+.  Usually two.  

 

So that's 20 years, maybe 30 heat waves...but I'm sure this time it's global warming's fault.

Wife and I were talking last night. Remember one weekend in 95  in DC that was the hottest ever experienced

 

I agree weather is not climate, and heat wave does not indicate global warming anymore than than a cold snap indicates the absence of such. 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by plenzmd1

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It's the manufactured hysteria about the topic, designed to push political reform (some would say revolution) as the cure which is what draws people's laughter and jokes. Is the climate changing? Sure. Is mankind to blame? Perhaps. Is it an imminent catastrophe destined to destroy civilization within the decade. Not a chance.

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[DC Tom]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

Billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

And how long is that record?

[KRC]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

I will take the apocalyptic predictions seriously when one of them actually comes true. For decades, we have been hearing "We're all gonna die!!!1!!" only to see nothing even close to their predictions coming true.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And how long is that record?

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

2 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

I will take the apocalyptic predictions seriously when one of them actually comes true. For decades, we have been hearing "We're all gonna die!!!1!!" only to see nothing even close to their predictions coming true.

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

It "might" become catastrophic in 50 years, so we must completely reform our political and economic system from a democratic republic to a socialist/communist state because the government knows how best to run the world. 

 

That's why people laugh. 

 

Backdoor revolutions, masked in "but the environment" pleas should be called out for what they are. 

[KRC]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

 

Wait. So there is going to be a lack of water? I thought that we were going to be flooded because of all of the glaciers melting. Which is it?

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It "might" become catastrophic in 50 years, so we must completely reform our political and economic system from a democratic republic to a socialist/communist state because the government knows how best to run the world. 

 

That's why people laugh. 

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

4 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Wait. So there is going to be a lack of water? I thought that we were going to be flooded because of all of the glaciers melting. Which is it?

 

Can you drink salt water?

 

Can you irrigate a farm with water from the ocean?

 

There are mass droughts all over the equator right now. Why do you think so many people are leaving Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala?

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

140 years of "hard data"??

Come on, even you can't believe that. 

 

We're a nation where a massive attack on our citizenry and infrastructure was carried out less than 20 years ago with a handful of boxcutters. You would trust "climate data" from  the Wright Brother's neighbor Svenn Roker? 

[KRC]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

 

Can you drink salt water?

 

Can you irrigate a farm with water from the ocean?

 

 

So, we have lost our abilities to process water in this apocalyptic world? All that water sitting there and there is nothing we can do with it. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

[IDBillzFan]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

Wait. We're not going to die soon?

 

Damn. I owe 100 grand to a fat-ass loan shark that I spent on a stripper name Molly Mounds.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

Add "guilt" to that recipe and you have a winner. Fear and Guilt. 

[row_33]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Add "guilt" to that recipe and you have a winner. Fear and Guilt. 

 

And hate

[jrober38]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

 

My kids' rights ultimately don't matter if they're dead due to a world war. 

 

More importantly though, finding ways to use less energy and water and reducing your carbon footprint has next to nothing to do with their rights. 

 

Today Donald Trump literally started selling plastic straws on his website to raise money and troll climate change believers. The fact that it is a joke to some people is what I find most concerning.

[GG]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

My kids' rights ultimately don't matter if they're dead due to a world war. 

 

More importantly though, finding ways to use less energy and water and reducing your carbon footprint has next to nothing to do with their rights. 

 

Today Donald Trump literally started selling plastic straws on his website to raise money and troll climate change believers. The fact that it is a joke to some people is what I find most concerning.

 

OK, I'll bite.   What's wrong with straws again?  

[jrober38]

Just now, GG said:

 

OK, I'll bite.   What's wrong with straws again?  

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

That was a sick burn

 

 

[GG]

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

That's why I asked you to explain it to me.

[B-Man]

GLOBAL WARMING PROPAGANDA

 

 

From the current The Week That Was, the invaluable compilation of climate-related information from the Science and Environmental Policy Project:

Led by John Christy, the Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH), has 40 years of direct measurement of atmospheric temperature trends, yet the IPCC and others cling to surface measurements with very poor global coverage, with data contaminated by the urban heat-island effect. The IPCC ignores atmospheric data, where the greenhouse effect occurs. Based on their 40-years’ worth of worldwide data, the UAH group has estimated, in a published paper, that a doubling of carbon dioxide (CO2) will result in an increase in temperatures of about 1.1 degree C or 2 degrees F.

 

As discussed in the previous two TWTWs, physicist William van Wijngaarden and his colleagues, using measurements of the effects of greenhouse gases without the effects of clouds, have found that a doubling of CO2 (from 400 parts per million to 800 parts per million), Methane (CH4), Nitrous Oxide (N2O) with a 6% increase in the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapor, will result in an increase in temperatures of about 1 to 1.5 degree C or 2 to 3 degrees F. The lowest value the IPCC projects is 1.5 degree C, which is the highest value of what van Wijngaarden projects. The highest value of the IPCC is 4.5 degrees C, far higher than van Wijngaarden.

 

One of the huge problems with global warming hysteria is that it is based on a combination of unverified models and surface temperature data that has been “adjusted” to fit the left’s climate narrative.

 

The work of van Wijngaarden is based on libraries compiled by Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Atomic and Molecular Physics, the updating of which is discussed in a recent paper published in the Journal of Quantitative Spectroscopy and Radiative Transfer. Unlike data from some groups, the data are not a secret and can be explored using the internet and a laptop computer.

 

Liberals attach a mystical and often contradictory power to global warming. Here in Minnesota, we are having a rainy Summer. Climate change! Somewhere else, they are experiencing a drought. Climate change! And “climate change” (regardless of whether the climate has actually changed in any relevant way) is commonly invoked to explain any negative phenomenon–but not, of course, anything good.

 

 

 

 

 

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