Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Cap and trade wouldn't cause a reversion to agrarianism.

 

Rather, it would do what every such policy in history has done: consolidate industries into larger conglomerates at the expense of small business.  Small companies won't have the capital to "trade" their way into compliance with the caps, and will either be driven out of business or acquired by large companies who have that capital.

 

Yeah I was think GND, because that is what they really want.

[jrober38]

The Global Warming debate is one that I find very interesting.

 

One side, if wrong, would be leading the world down a path that will likely lead to world war, and possibly nuclear war. 

 

The other, if wrong, will have spent an astronomical amount of money, but there's no outcome that results in mass warfare. 

 

The world is getting hotter. I was in Italy last summer and went on a couple wine tours. Each tour guide essentially said they won't be able to make wine in 25-50 years because the summers are too hot, and there's not enough rain. They expect it to keep getting worse. 

 

No one seems to notice that the reason there's a mass migration going on from Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala is because the farms have dried up and there's no food. People can't make a living in the country side because there's a massive drought, and as a result they've moved into the cities which have some of the highest murder rates in the world. Instead of staying and probably dying, they're leaving and risking their lives to head north, because the alternative is literally death and starvation.

 

In India, their 5th largest city, Chennai, which has a population of over 7 million people, just ran out of water. 

 

If things continue, tens of millions of people are going to start leaving the places they live in search of water. If things continue, countries will eventually go to war as water becomes so scarce around the equator. 

 

I don't know what the solution is. I understand it's impossible to expect people and the global economy to completely change in a short amount of time.

 

However, if climate change is real, and the earth continues warming and food and water that nourish the billions of people living along the equator becomes more scarce, the world as we know it probably won't exist in 100 years. As a father of two small kids that scares me.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

The Global Warming debate is one that I find very interesting.

 

One side, if wrong, would be leading the world down a path that will likely lead to world war, and possibly nuclear war. 

 

The other, if wrong, will have spent an astronomical amount of money, but there's no outcome that results in mass warfare. 

 

There is though -- you're forgetting what happens when people vote socialism in and then want out. They can't vote their way out, only shoot. 

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

No one seems to notice that the reason there's a mass migration going on from Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala is because the farms have dried up and there's no food. People can't make a living in the country side because there's a massive drought, and as a result they've moved into the cities which have some of the highest murder rates in the world. Instead of staying and probably dying, they're leaving and risking their lives to head north, because the alternative is literally death and starvation.

 

You're overlooking another cause: US backed coups in Honduras under SecState Clinton's regime.

3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

However, if climate change is real, and the earth continues warming and food and water that nourish the billions of people living along the equator becomes more scarce, the world as we know it probably won't exist in 100 years. As a father of two small kids that scares me.

 

You're underestimating (imo) our ability to invent new ways (or release old ways) to mitigate climate damage. It's all about the technology -- which has been suppressed for a long, long time. Want to fix the planet, release the tech.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

There is though -- you're forgetting what happens when people vote socialism in and then want out. They can't vote their way out, only shoot. 

 

You're overlooking another cause: US backed coups in Honduras under SecState Clinton's regime.

 

You're underestimating (imo) our ability to invent new ways (or release old ways) to mitigate climate damage. It's all about the technology -- which has been suppressed for a long, long time. Want to fix the planet, release the tech.

 

You guys have no idea what socialism is. It's just a trendy buzzword that Republicans like to use to scare people.

 

By your standards, the entire Western Developed World is socialist. High taxes, socialized medicine, lower drug costs, etc, yet no major wars for 70+ years. 

 

Sure. US foreign policy has been a disaster for 50 years. There's a reason a huge chunk of the world dislikes you. They meddled in too many elections, overthrew too many duly elected politicians and dropped too many bombs on civilians. 

 

But the fact remains. There's a reason almost everyone who shows up at the Southern Border now is coming from the Norther Triangle whereas 20 years ago they came from Mexico mostly. There's a mass drought there, the farms have dried up and the livestock has died. People are literally starving to death and instead of staying and accepting that, those people are willing to travel hundreds of miles north, risking their lives to try and survive. 

 

Hopefully you're right.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

You guys have no idea what socialism is. It's just a trendy buzzword that Republicans like to use to scare people.

 

I'm not a republican. I'm a liberal. 

 

And I know very well what socialism is and what its goal is. Climate Change is a way to backdoor it into our system -- and our system is incompatible with socialism on a basic, fundamental level. Socialism requires the forfeiture of personal liberty for the benefit of the greater good. That runs counter to everything this nation was found for, and everything that made this nation the most charitable in all of history. 

 

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

By your standards, the entire Western Developed World is socialist. High taxes, socialized medicine, lower drug costs, etc, yet no major wars for 70+ years. 

 

Not even Scandinavia is socialist, as we often hear. They have a market economy, and are backed and supported by two of the largest capitalistic powers the planet has ever seen. Socialism does not mean high taxes -- it means surrendering individual liberties to the state in favor of protecting the group. 

 

To quote Tocqueville: 

"Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude" (to the state). 

 

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Sure. US foreign policy has been a disaster for 50 years. There's a reason a huge chunk of the world dislikes you. They meddled in too many elections, overthrew too many duly elected politicians and dropped too many bombs on civilians. 

 

But the fact remains. There's a reason almost everyone who shows up at the Southern Border now is coming from the Norther Triangle whereas 20 years ago they came from Mexico mostly. There's a mass drought there, the farms have dried up and the livestock has died. People are literally starving to death and instead of staying and accepting that, those people are willing to travel hundreds of miles north, risking their lives to try and survive. 

 

What I'm suggesting is there are multiple reasons for the mass migration of peoples -- chief among them is not climate, but war. Look at Europe -- what triggered that mass migration? The same SecState's war in Libya was the kickoff, followed by the civil war in Syria. 

 

The same with the northern triangle countries. 

 

War -- waged by globalists (serving an agenda not of the people or their nation, but their pocketbooks) served multiple purposes, chief among them is to destabilize western Europe and the US, to make them more amenable to accepting drastic social and government reforms which benefit the globalist cause, not the people's. 

 

[DC Tom]

15 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

You guys have no idea what socialism is. It's just a trendy buzzword that Republicans like to use to scare people.

 

 

Kind-of like you guys have no idea what Naziism is.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Kind-of like you guys have no idea what Naziism is.  

....who the hell woke him up from his BBMB days of nothingness?....YAWN.............

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

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[3rdnlng]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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Sorta like my avatar.

[Gavin in Va Beach]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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I fail to see a downside here

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

I fail to see a downside here

 

I do: Those nooses are sloppy and have not been tightened sufficiently.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I do: Those nooses are sloppy and have not been tightened sufficiently.

 

...don't seem too concerned....Al Gore cometh shortly.......has some minor Internet tweaking to do first.............

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

These lying SOB's just told us we would die in 12 years.

 

Why we worried about people being hungry in 2050?

 

Eat your damn burgers people,  they are crazy.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Another summer brings with it a fresh opportunity to use the accompanying heat to sound the alarm about global warming. However, ThinkProgress has added a twist to this year’s heatwave and given it a name (it might be a good idea to put on oven mitts before handling a take this hot):

 

 

 

 

 

Or... just hear me out... we just call it 'July'

 

 

 

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[KRC]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Another summer brings with it a fresh opportunity to use the accompanying heat to sound the alarm about global warming. However, ThinkProgress has added a twist to this year’s heatwave and given it a name (it might be a good idea to put on oven mitts before handling a take this hot):

 

 

 

 

 

Or... just hear me out... we just call it 'July'

 

 

 

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Wait 'til they see what Trump has in store for August.

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Another summer brings with it a fresh opportunity to use the accompanying heat to sound the alarm about global warming. However, ThinkProgress has added a twist to this year’s heatwave and given it a name (it might be a good idea to put on oven mitts before handling a take this hot):

 

 

 

 

 

Or... just hear me out... we just call it 'July'

 

 

 

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Seriously...every year since I've moved here, DC gets at least one heat wave that's a week long with temperatures of 95+ and heat indexes of 105+.  Usually two.  

 

So that's 20 years, maybe 30 heat waves...but I'm sure this time it's global warming's fault.

[jrober38]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Another summer brings with it a fresh opportunity to use the accompanying heat to sound the alarm about global warming. However, ThinkProgress has added a twist to this year’s heatwave and given it a name (it might be a good idea to put on oven mitts before handling a take this hot):

 

 

 

 

 

Or... just hear me out... we just call it 'July'

 

 

 

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I don't understand the purpose of joking about this.

 

Making light of a changing climate, and the consequences it might bring doesn't make any sense to me.

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand the purpose of joking about this.

 

Making light of a changing climate, and the consequences it might bring doesn't make any sense to me.

 

 

The climate is changing .....................and always has.

 

When I respond,  it is to laugh in the face of those who are using climate to influence "the masses" ..........in this case Think Progress

 

It is the warming cultists, that have earned and deserve our derision.

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

10 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand the purpose of joking about this.

 

Making light of a changing climate, and the consequences it might bring doesn't make any sense to me.

 

"I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

 

Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

 

There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period."

https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf

 

 

It's the manufactured hysteria about the topic, designed to push political reform (some would say revolution) as the cure which is what draws people's laughter and jokes. Is the climate changing? Sure. Is mankind to blame? Perhaps. Is it an imminent catastrophe destined to destroy civilization within the decade? Not a chance.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Deranged Rhino
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