Who do you WANT as the Bills coach in 2015?

[TSOL]

 

 

 

great. Like I said, my vote is Vince Lombardi.

 

It would be nice to see an NFL coach wear a sport coat and tie on the sidelines again.

Bet he'd run alot of i-formation

[Kirby Jackson]

Anyone that doesn't think that scheme and design is important please turn on the OSU game and watch all of the motion, fakes and misdirection that Urban Meyer is using.

[Prickly Pete]

It would be nice to see an NFL coach wear a sport coat and tie on the sidelines again.

Bet he'd run alot of i-formation

 

A sport coat would be cool. But these days you need a whole new formation, maybe a "Z-Formation".

 

Anyone that doesn't think that scheme and design is important please turn on the OSU game and watch all of the motion, fakes and misdirection that Urban Meyer is using.

 

Especially if you don't have an excellent QB!

And don't forget in the Red Zone...

Edited November 15, 2014 by HoF Watkins

[Mike in Horseheads]

Anyone that doesn't think that scheme and design is important please turn on the OSU game and watch all of the motion, fakes and misdirection that Urban Meyer is using.

Turnovers are killing them today, feel like I'm watching the Bills. But to be honest I think Meyer is slimy so I hope they lose.

[Kirby Jackson]

Turnovers are killing them today, feel like I'm watching the Bills. But to be honest I think Meyer is slimy so I hope they lose.

It looks a lot like the KC game, right to the fumble at the goal line.

 

I'm a Buckeye fan so I am partial but there is space and guys are open all over the field. They have a lot of young talent but the design is unbelievable.

Edited November 15, 2014 by Kirby Jackson

[Mike in Horseheads]

It looks a lot like the KC game, right to the fumble at the goal line.

 

I'm a Buckeye fan so I am partial but there is space and guys are open all over the field. They have a lot of young talent but the design is unbelievable.

The KC game was exactly what I was thinking of with my comment. I really don't have a rooting interest in the game so for your sake I hope OSU wins. Meyer is like Carrol IMHO college slime at its worst.

[Security]

Bills are not going to take a college coach 2 times in a row. ALthough, we did take 2 retread HCs in a row in Jauron and Gailey, and then had 2 overmatched Coordinators in a row before that in Mularkey and WIlliams, perhaps it would make sense to have 2 college coaches in a row now???

[BuffaninATL]

I am thinking this might be Wade Phillips redux, circa 2015 - Marrone is given a choice to fire Hackett and Morris; if he does, Marrone stays for the sake of "continuity"; if he refuses, he gets canned and we start over with a new HC and OC. We'd then see how loyal he is to Hackett.

[Prickly Pete]

I am thinking this might be Wade Phillips redux, circa 2015 - Marrone is given a choice to fire Hackett and Morris; if he does, Marrone stays for the sake of "continuity"; if he refuses, he gets canned and we start over with a new HC and OC. We'd then see how loyal he is to Hackett.

 

I doubt Schawrtz will stay if Marrone leaves and he isn't given the HC job. He has already been a head coach, and why would he want to stay on as a DC under someone that didn't hire him? After this season, with the way the defense performed, he would have to be a HC candidate around the league, or at least able to get a higher paying, more desirable DC job.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I am thinking this might be Wade Phillips redux, circa 2015 - Marrone is given a choice to fire Hackett and Morris; if he does, Marrone stays for the sake of "continuity"; if he refuses, he gets canned and we start over with a new HC and OC. We'd then see how loyal he is to Hackett.

I hear what your saying but I don't think Doug has a record to stand on like Wade did. I'm also in the minority but I'm not even sure Buddy Hackett is the problem with the offense at this point. But if Doug is going to fall on the sword for him...see ya.

[Prickly Pete]

I hear what your saying but I don't think Doug has a record to stand on like Wade did. I'm also in the minority but I'm not even sure Buddy Hackett is the problem with the offense at this point. But if Doug is going to fall on the sword for him...see ya.

 

Yeah, the game management is definitely Marrone, and I have to think that Hackett is working within guidelines set by Marrone, as far as the general approach overall, and to each game is concerned.

[thewildrabbit]

Paul Brown. I can name coaches who didn't have ANY NFL experience and came into the NFL and had success.

Really, who? and did it take them 3 to 5 years?

 

 

 

EDIT: looking at the current poll, more people want Marrone back then they do Malzhan.

 

it is easy to come up with a reason not to try something new and innovative. The problem is, you are looking backward instead of looking toward the future. Most of the examples you give are are from eons ago, relatively speaking. The game has changed enormously, and will change even more in the future. It is more like college football than it used to be. More importantly, the brightest, most innovative concepts are now coming out of college now. Chip Kelly may be rare, but I think he is the first of many and that his success will spur a trend toward hiring bright (sorry, St Doug) innovative college coaches in the NFL. For once, it would be nice to see the Bills be one step ahead instead of two steps behind the rest of the league. I hope they say no to Dungy, Cowher etc, not that any of those guys want to coach again anyway.

What offenses are currently working in the NFL? Brady, Manning, Luck all in traditional offenses, and even Philly is running the same type of offense only faster paced. Not to mention that Kelly has one of the best offensive lines that Andy Reid helped build. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291459/article/chip-kellys-college-offense-has-philadelphia-eagles-soaring

 

The read option that RG3, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and Colin Kaepernick came in with a bang just a few short years ago is no longer working the way it was. Plus, the guy the Redskins paid 3 first rounders for has been injured more often then healthy. The offenses Kirby is suggesting is basically a power run, read option spread, and in the NFL the QB's in that type of offense will have a very short lifespan.

 

Paul Brown went from college to the AAFC, and is the reason I didn't mention him is he didn't make a direct jump from HC in college to the NFL.

 

To the people I'm in conversation with over another college coach hire. I just don't think you fully understand just how difficult the transition is from coaching amateur young men to coaching highly paid professionals really is. Nick Saban has won how many national championships? Four now, and one of those was with LSU before he was the HC at Miami. He has won three more since then, and he isn't even on the list.

 

The list of 10 highly talented "great" college coaches who failed to make that transition vs the real world of only two in the entire history of the NFL that actually made that transition leaves me to think it will be almost impossible odds for someone like Malzhan to succeed. Its really why Marrone was pretty much doomed to fail in his first attempt.

 

Malzhan's Auburn Tigers are currently ranked 9th, and his team leads the ACC in penalties. (discipline problems?) WOW! The man has only been a head coach at the college level for 3 short years, and while he lost the BCS championship last season in his first year at Auburn. He already has lost 2 games this year, and is currently 4th in the division behind Miss St, Alabama, Old Miss. Once the big boys figure out what he is doing I doubt he will see another BCS championship game again. While you have to admire what he has done at Auburn in such a short time. To me, hiring this man would probably be a bigger whiff then hiring Marrone, who at least had prior NFL experience.

 

Don't get me wrong as I would love to see the man hired as the Bills offensive coordinator under a Cowher, Harbaugh, Coughlin, Gruden, or even Mike Smith. I just think it would take 3-5 years before he would see success as an NFL HC, JMHO.

Edited November 15, 2014 by FeartheLosing

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Really, who? and did it take them 3 to 5 years?

 

 

 

EDIT: looking at the current poll, more people want Marrone back then they do Malzhan.

 

What offenses are currently working in the NFL? Brady, Manning, Luck all in traditional offenses, and even Philly is running the same type of offense only faster paced. Not to mention that Kelly has one of the best offensive lines that Andy Reid helped build. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291459/article/chip-kellys-college-offense-has-philadelphia-eagles-soaring

 

The read option that RG3, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and Colin Kaepernick came in with a bang just a few short years ago is no longer working the way it was. Plus, the guy the Redskins paid 3 first rounders for has been injured more often then healthy. The offenses Kirby is suggesting is basically a power run, read option spread, and in the NFL the QB's in that type of offense will have a very short lifespan.

 

Paul Brown went from college to the AAFC, and is the reason I didn't mention him is he didn't make a direct jump from HC in college to the NFL.

 

To the people I'm in conversation with over another college coach hire. I just don't think you fully understand just how difficult the transition is from coaching amateur young men to coaching highly paid professionals really is. Nick Saban has won how many national championships? Four now, and one of those was with LSU before he was the HC at Miami. He has won three more since then, and he isn't even on the list.

 

The list of 10 highly talented "great" college coaches who failed to make that transition vs the real world of only two in the entire history of the NFL that actually made that transition leaves me to think it will be almost impossible odds for someone like Malzhan to succeed. Its really why Marrone was pretty much doomed to fail in his first attempt.

 

Malzhan's Auburn Tigers are currently ranked 9th, and his team leads the ACC in penalties. (discipline problems?) WOW! The man has only been a head coach at the college level for 3 short years, and while he lost the BCS championship last season in his first year at Auburn. He already has lost 2 games this year, and is currently 4th in the division behind Miss St, Alabama, Old Miss. Once the big boys figure out what he is doing I doubt he will see another BCS championship game again. While you have to admire what he has done at Auburn in such a short time. To me, hiring this man would probably be a bigger whiff then hiring Marrone, who at least had prior NFL experience.

 

Don't get me wrong as I would love to see the man hired as the Bills offensive coordinator under a Cowher, Harbaugh, Coughlin, Gruden, or even Mike Smith. I just think it would take 3-5 years before he would see success as an NFL HC, JMHO.

It's the SEC (not ACC). Clearly there are a lot of people on here that don't follow college football by some of the voting. This isn't UB that we are talking about this is big boy football. Maybe it's just hard to relate to for those that don't live in an area with big programs. In Texas, FL, Louisiana, Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, GA, California, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kentucky, Oregon, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Mississippi, Tennesse, Arkansas, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, North Dakota, Wyoming and West Virginia college football is the dominant sport.

 

Again, why would someone making $1M more than Marrone take an OC job? The Bills head coaching job falls behind about 20 college jobs in terms of profile and Auburn is one of them. The only way that you are getting him is if you offer him more than $7M a year (double Marrone money). He also won a National Championship as an OC. He will be one of the most sought after guys out there and destined for stardom. He has flourished everywhere, always. Yes, they've lost 2 games and are ranked 9th in the country. Let's not try to act as if they are failing.

 

In terms of understanding the transition I probably understand it as well as anyone on this board. I'm the one with the real world experience in both environments. It is not about what I've read or heard but what I've witnessed.

 

If we are scared to be ahead of the curve we will continue to remain in the purgatory that we are in. Get the guy that coaches what works in 2014 not what worked in 1995.

Edited November 16, 2014 by Kirby Jackson

[PS 56]

Harbaugh would have this team in the playoffs before you could spit. Never happen though.

I totally agree...

[thewildrabbit]

It's the SEC (not ACC). Clearly there are a lot of people on here that don't follow college football by some of the voting. This isn't UB that we are talking about this is big boy football. Maybe it's just hard to relate to for those that don't live in an area with big programs. In Texas, FL, Louisiana, Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, GA, California, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kentucky, Oregon, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Mississippi, Tennesse, Arkansas, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, North Dakota, Wyoming and West Virginia college football is the dominant sport.

 

Again, why would someone making $1M more than Marrone take an OC job? The Bills head coaching job falls behind about 20 college jobs in terms of profile and Auburn is one of them. The only way that you are getting him is if you offer him more than $7M a year (double Marrone money). He also won a National Championship as an OC. He will be one of the most sought after guys out there and destined for stardom. He has flourished everywhere, always. Yes, they've lost 2 games and are ranked 9th in the country. Let's not try to act as if they are failing.

 

In terms of understanding the transition I probably understand it as well as anyone on this board. I'm the one with the real world experience in both environments. It is not about what I've read or heard but what I've witnessed.

 

If we are scared to be ahead of the curve we will continue to remain in the purgatory that we are in. Get the guy that coaches what works in 2014 not what worked in 1995.

Yea a typo, brainsnap I meant SEC.

 

What scares the hell out of me is only been a HC at the college level for 3 years, and went to the BCS championship his first year at Auburn. So far a one year wonder at the HC level in college.

 

You see to be overlooking some clear issues in that his current team has some discipline problems http://www.al.com/au...sponsibili.html

 

Then the type of offense he runs, and has had great success with in College would get his QB's killed in the NFL.

 

While the man may eventually have great success in the NFL if given the opportunity. I just happen to see that the odds of him * having immediate* success at the NFL level are next to impossible. Like I said 3-5 years to learn the NFL ropes.

 

While I'm currently against the hire, as I want instant gratification with a winning season next year. Sad to say the Bills could have gotten there this year with a better run game, O line.

Although, like I said I would dearly love to see a power run game, spread offense in Buffalo. The Bills were idiots to trade away both Jason Peters & Marshawn Lynch. But, that was then.

 

 

Anyway, If the Bills are going to offer 7 mill per to someone I'm hoping its to Harbaugh, or Cowher.

 

 

 

BTW, I'm currently watching the Auburn (9) vs Georgia (15) game now.

Edited November 16, 2014 by FeartheLosing

[YoloinOhio]

Remember when Brian Kelly was going to be the next college HC to make the big leap? Yeah, he can't count.

 

It looks a lot like the KC game, right to the fumble at the goal line.

 

I'm a Buckeye fan so I am partial but there is space and guys are open all over the field. They have a lot of young talent but the design is unbelievable.

un-freaking-believable with the fumble in the end zone AND the buckeye who tried to fall on it and couldn't get it! And I never want to see Jalin Marshall returning punts again. Go Bucks. Edited November 16, 2014 by YoloinOhio

[Kirby Jackson]

Yea a typo, brainsnap I meant SEC.

 

What scares the hell out of me is only been a HC at the college level for 3 years, and went to the BCS championship his first year at Auburn. So far a one year wonder at the HC level in college.

 

You see to be overlooking some clear issues in that his current team has some discipline problems http://www.al.com/au...sponsibili.html

 

Then the type of offense he runs, and has had great success with in College would get his QB's killed in the NFL.

 

While the man may eventually have great success in the NFL if given the opportunity. I just happen to see that the odds of him * having immediate* success at the NFL level are next to impossible. Like I said 3-5 years to learn the NFL ropes.

 

While I'm currently against the hire, as I want instant gratification with a winning season next year. Sad to say the Bills could have gotten there this year with a better run game, O line.

Although, like I said I would dearly love to see a power run game, spread offense in Buffalo. The Bills were idiots to trade away both Jason Peters & Marshawn Lynch. But, that was then.

 

 

Anyway, If the Bills are going to offer 7 mill per to someone I'm hoping its to Harbaugh, or Cowher.

 

 

 

BTW, I'm currently watching the Auburn (9) vs Georgia (15) game now.

The thing with the offense is if you look at his history he has adapted his offense to his talent everywhere. He has had elite passing and running teams. There is a breakdown of it all in the Grantland article. Some guys are just geniuses (nerds if you will). The nerds are all the rage now. FWIW, I would like the Harbaugh hire too but he's heading to Michigan almost certainly. Edited November 16, 2014 by Kirby Jackson

[BigBuff423]

My vote was Bevell...did a little research on him - too much to post here - but good Offensive mind and young guy who has real leadership capability. Best of all?? Worked with and identified good QBs, especially Russell Wilson whom Carroll public and unabashedly stated at the time of the Draft that Wilson was all Bevell and then Bevell's project. To me, best option available.

[patfitz]

Bring Back Marv, he is well rested and ready!

[mannc]

FWIW, I would like the Harbaugh hire too but he's heading to Michigan almost certainly.

Do you really think so? I would be surprised. It seems to me that the Big 10 has fallen so far that it is barely even considered a major conference. Ohio State might go 11-1 and not even get invited to the playoff because the league is perceived as so weak. That matters, because it will make it difficult to recruit the very best players, even for a guy like Harbaugh. Edited November 16, 2014 by mannc