Roger Goodell Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 All NFL officials strive to clearly and fairly enforce league rules.
dubs Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 All NFL officials strive to clearly and fairly enforce league rules. Hahaha. This made my day. Kudos!
finfanfromrochester Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Check out this image and let me know what you guys think. From a completely technical perspective, that was actually PI http://i.imgur.com/0ArAX3m.png
gfunk0311 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 After reading through this, Im beginning to believe none of you know what the rules are for Intentional Grounding. It does not matter where the receiver is when the ball is released or in the air. All the matters is where the receiver is when the BALL HITS THE GROUND. Please stop flooding this is false information.
Fixxxer Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Check out this image and let me know what you guys think. From a completely technical perspective, that was actually PI http://i.imgur.com/0ArAX3m.png Bang bang play, should not be PI.
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Like I said, I've seen a number of plays in which the receiver was about as distant from the ball as Watkins. I mean Watkins wasn't even running toward where the ball was, and you can bet he wasn't running the wrong route. Plus the ball wasn't even really close to him. It was intentional grounding, pure and simple. If I didn't see it called against Drew Brees and one or two other QBs recently in similar situations, I'd say it was a bad call. But that's how it's being called now. And honestly, I think it's correct. Hypothetically lets say a QB throws a deep sideline pattern to his receiver launching the ball 50 yards down field but his receiver cuts off the pattern 25 yards downfield and runs a deep in vs. the fly. The ball lands at least 25 yards downfield beyond any receiver. Is that intentional grounding since no receiver is in the 'area'? The problem is the rule is inconsistent, arbitrary, randomly enforced, and subject to way too much individual interpretion by the officials. There may be no 'right' or 'wrong' in saying the call was correct or not because it is so subjective the term 'rule' should not even apply. Edited November 14, 2014 by All_Pro_Bills
GG Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Check out this image and let me know what you guys think. From a completely technical perspective, that was actually PI http://i.imgur.com/0ArAX3m.png You have the wrong screen shot on that one, because you can't see the ball. In your image the timing is when the ball hits Gilmore's right arm. If you look at the sideline screen shot, Gilmore gets there just as the ball arrives. And again, thew big issue is not that this call was made, but the unevenness of the calls. Don't even try to tell me that there were no holding calls against Bills' DL on nearly every play. If Coleman's crew decided to nail Wood for a jersey tug on Brown's run, where was the call on Mario that allowed Miller to spring a long outside run?
NoSaint Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Bang bang play, should not be PI. he was there early - its often going to be called. if you swapped the jerseys wed be outraged by a no call when the corner got there early. with it so close they wont get it 100% right, but i think this isnt the call to claim refs are out to get you on
GG Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Like I said, I've seen a number of plays in which the receiver was about as distant from the ball as Watkins. I mean Watkins wasn't even running toward where the ball was, and you can bet he wasn't running the wrong route. Plus the ball wasn't even really close to him. It was intentional grounding, pure and simple. If I didn't see it called against Drew Brees and one or two other QBs recently in similar situations, I'd say it was a bad call. But that's how it's being called now. And honestly, I think it's correct. You're wrong on this. I'm watching the replay in slow motion. Orton is only looking to the left and the only WR on that side is Watkins. Orton releases the ball in Watkins' direction before the break is made, and it was not one these throw away tosses. Again, if Watkins breaks left, the ball is right there, so he was in the vicinity of the play. But plain and simple, that call is not a gimme grounding so don't insert yourself in the score.
finfanfromrochester Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 You have the wrong screen shot on that one, because you can't see the ball. In your image the timing is when the ball hits Gilmore's right arm. If you look at the sideline screen shot, Gilmore gets there just as the ball arrives. And again, thew big issue is not that this call was made, but the unevenness of the calls. Don't even try to tell me that there were no holding calls against Bills' DL on nearly every play. If Coleman's crew decided to nail Wood for a jersey tug on Brown's run, where was the call on Mario that allowed Miller to spring a long outside run? I mean that image pretty clearly shows the ball still in the air while contact is being made by the defender.
SwampD Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 he was there early - its often going to be called. if you swapped the jerseys wed be outraged by a no call when the corner got there early. with it so close they wont get it 100% right, but i think this isnt the call to claim refs are out to get you on Absolutely. I know this to be true because every other game we have played this year, when our receivers where hit early, I was outraged that there was no call.
DC Tom Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Walt Coleman did indeed ref the Bills/Pats fiasco in 1998. But he also called 22 penalties (!!) on the 49ers when the Bills beat them at home in 1998 as well: http://articles.balt...l-mary-patriots . I remember that San Francisco game. That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. The last drive of the first half, 18 plays and 8 of them penalties. Antonio Langham was Walt Coleman's B word on that drive.
34-78-83 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Check out this image and let me know what you guys think. From a completely technical perspective, that was actually PI http://i.imgur.com/0ArAX3m.png What you can't tell form your still shot is that while Gilmore's arm is around him, it is not touching him and therefore, not pass interference
bbb Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 If it was catchable with the receiver breaking properly after the ball is in the air I have a hard time with it. As others said - I assume sammy ran the right route- but what if he missed a read? At the time the ball was released, there was an option that could've realistically gotten there. Has anybody heard of this Mike Carey rule. That it doesn't matter what's going on when you throw it, only when the ball lands? How does that make any sense?? I am guessing from comments from Hughes he was yelling at ref about not getting a holding call and ran into him accidentally, but still ran into him. Flag, and lucky he was not ejected. Same crew that threw the flag on Hughes in the Pats games. I am sure Hughes was yapping about that all night too. If this is true, then he should be flagged, if not thrown out (like Steve Tasker in his last game). But, he wasn't looking at the ref at all. I thought just like last time, he was celebrating the play. You're on the wrong thread. The thread for talking about why the Bills lost is drastically different that a separate thread on how bad the officiating is while recognizing it was not the reason buffalo lost. Exactly. I think it's pretty clear what this thread is about.
DC Tom Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Has anybody heard of this Mike Carey rule. That it doesn't matter what's going on when you throw it, only when the ball lands? How does that make any sense?? So just mug every receiver once the ball is thrown, and every PI call could be offset by an intentional grounding. Carey's trying to excuse the call, not explain it.
BuffaloWings Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 That PI call was absolute horse $#! and dont even get me started on that tubby troll calling Hughes for unsportsmanlike..... The Hughes unsportsmanlike call reminded me of what Andre Reed did in the 1998 playoff game down there...trying to get up, he accidentally bumps into the ref, so he throws a flag. Yes, Hughes was probably going after a Dolphin to get in his face, but clearly didn't intend to bump into the ref. Apparently, the Bills have to be careful about everything they say and do for the rest of the year...while the Pats and Fins can say whatever the H they want.
bbb Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 So just mug every receiver once the ball is thrown, and every PI call could be offset by an intentional grounding. Carey's trying to excuse the call, not explain it. Exactly. And, somehow he turned around Simms' mind about it, using that logic!
Gisele Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Carey's an idiot. He hurts my brain every time he tries to explain something. How did he get picked for that job?
finfanfromrochester Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) What you can't tell form your still shot is that while Gilmore's arm is around him, it is not touching him and therefore, not pass interference He's running right into him. Helmet to helmet contact. Arm wrapped inside the receiver like that will get a call every time. The only reason it's debatable is because of how quickly it happened. Edited November 14, 2014 by finfanfromrochester
bbb Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 He looked like he knew what he was doing when he was a ref..........Kind of exposes them to be the idiots that they are.
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