truth on hold Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Deion is right, and I only wonder how long before we can see these craptastic college coaches go back to college I've been critical of Hackett since last years Chiefs game, and now after every game more and more join the ranks. If Whaley is smart he fires Marrone & Hackett tomorrow, and promotes Schwartz & Jim Hostler to HC & OC. Brings in Incognito while scrapping Marrone & Brandon's fubar moneyball analytic dept. I'd rather not see EJ starting with Hacker calling plays because he will be ruined by getting injured or severely concussed. At least Orton gets rid of the ball, and doesn't turn it over or take many sacks anymore. He is smart enough to not allow himself to be killed while completing one play. we need to know this year what we have w/ EJ so we will know what to do in the offseason. It's irresponsible not to have a clear handle on EJ by the end of this season
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Yea. KC and Miami no good. All I remember about the New England game (and they do have the leagues best pass D) was CJ fumbling at halftime and Brady and Gronk being unstoppable. Detroit, the leagues number 1 defense, he won. And threw for 300 yards a TD and brought us back to win. Detroit is arguably the 2nd best team in football right now. Threw and ugly pick six where he stared down Sammy. Lucky Megatron was hobbled and eventually went out, Bush went out, and a lousy kicker couldn't make a FG. On the winning drive, Sammy bailed him out with great catches on inaccurate throws. 17 points total scored in not a great performance. Try again.
thewildrabbit Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) they watched how KC defended and did the same thing IMO. Orton has been completely figured out. No threat to scamble, roll out, or run. They always know where the pass will be coming from, and the LBs can drop back in coverage at will knowing there's no chance he run. Start EJ, the offense is scoring no points, it cannot get any worse. Orton is following the same trend he always does .... some good starts, and then *poof*. He is not the answer. EJ may not be either but he has a chance, and we need to KNOW NOW. AS IN THIS SEASON Please name the game where Orton was good. DET, NE, MIN, KC, MIA are all no for me. I'd say he was clutch at DET and vs. MIN. Against the NYJ, he was pretty good in limited attempts. The Chiefs had the #1 pass defense, and the Dolphins have the #2 pass defense. So lets play right into their strengths!!! 39 pass attempts again this week. The Bills run game had a 2.8 YPC avg, with 19 rushes for 54 yards. I don't know what you can expect from a QB who literally has no support from his coaches or team around him. The offense and red zone offense were bad long before Orton took over. The guy has never been an elite QB, and he still isn't. He needs help from his run game to keep the defense honest. When the Bills have a solid O line, and run game then complain all you want about the QB. Things are only going to get worse for KO if the team has no run game. Edited November 14, 2014 by FeartheLosing
Big Blitz Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 I've seen great receivers bail the best QBS out every week. It's ridiculous how demanding we've become of the QB position in Buffalo. He won in Detroit. Don't care what kicker missed what or who was banged up. I think you think I'm saying he was playing at a pro bowl caliber level. I just said he was good. His 2 worst games were these last 2 and it's not close. Teams don't figure out a guy who's been around 8 years. They figure out your crap scheme. That's the problem.
thewildrabbit Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) we need to know this year what we have w/ EJ so we will know what to do in the offseason. It's irresponsible not to have a clear handle on EJ by the end of this season Do you really want to see EJ in the hands of Hacker again? I know I don't. personally I'd prefer to wait until the Bills hire someone who actually know how to build a proper offense then the lame tool who is running it now. I'd have a different opinion if this jackass wasn't calling 40 pass plays a game while not even trying to build a power run scheme, and if the OG / O line situation wasn't so bad. The O line coach sucks too. This moron runs a a lot against a strong run defense in the Jets who had a crippled secondary, and in the last two week throws 39-48 times against the #2 & #1 teams against the pass. Hackett is sofa king we todd ed. Edited November 14, 2014 by FeartheLosing
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 The Chiefs had the #1 pass defense, and the Dolphins have the #2 pass defense. So lets play right into their strengths!!! 39 pass attempts again this week. The Bills run game had a 2.8 YPC avg, with 19 rushes for 54 yards. I don't know what you can expect from a QB who literally has no support from his coaches or team around him. The offense and red zone offense were bad long before Orton took over. The guy has never been an elite QB, and he still isn't. He needs help from his run game to keep the defense honest. When the Bills have a solid O line, and run game then complain all you want about the QB. Things are only going to get worse for KO if the team has no run game. Run game helped him quite a bit vs. KC. He failed to deliver in the RZ with clean pockets on several throws that a decent NFL QB should make.
Whack 'Em Williams Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Unless it connects.... The real problem is that we shouldn't be in 3 & 8 every damn series. Almost like we Always stack the odds against ourselves. No matter how many times you wrap your head around, ya just can't Hacket. This employment status is insane for the Nathan hotdog wiener.
billsfan714 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 I really like how we got Chandler and MW involved to keep the Miami D off balance.
Stussy109 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 At least our analytics department calls for punting from the 45 down by 2 scores with 7 minutes left.
reddogblitz Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Teams don't figure out a guy who's been around 8 years. They figure out your crap scheme. That's the problem. EJ got figured out pretty early on as well. Do you really want to see EJ in the hands of Hacker again? I know I don't. Yeah, this is what I'm thinking. I like EJ. But if he gets back there behind our OLine and running Hackett Jr.'s dumb offense, he's gonna suck. So would a lot of QBs. What would we find out? Who's going to decide anything based on the rest of this lame duck season anyway? A case for keeping Doug Marrone is becoming harder and harder to make by the game.
thewildrabbit Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Run game helped him quite a bit vs. KC. He failed to deliver in the RZ with clean pockets on several throws that a decent NFL QB should make. While Orton was inaccurate in both games. However, I don't agree with the run game helped him quite a bit at all. considering the Bills ran it only 24 times while attempting 48 throws from Orton against the Chiefs. This with the Bills run game averaging 5.0 YPC, and the Chiefs had the #1 pass defense in the league. The moron the Bills have calling plays worked the offense right into the strength of the opposing defense with so many passes. Orton could have an assortment of viable reasons for not being as accurate as he should be. Still, I think its ludicrous to be forcing the QB to throw 48 times against the #1 pass defense, and 38 times against the #2 pass defense. Its moronic.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 While Orton was inaccurate in both games. However, I don't agree with the run game helped him quite a bit at all. considering the Bills ran it only 24 times while attempting 48 throws from Orton against the Chiefs. This with the Bills run game averaging 5.0 YPC, and the Chiefs had the #1 pass defense in the league. The moron the Bills have calling plays worked the offense right into the strength of the opposing defense with so many passes. Orton could have an assortment of viable reasons for not being as accurate as he should be. Still, I think its ludicrous to be forcing the QB to throw 48 times against the #1 pass defense, and 38 times against the #2 pass defense. Its moronic. KC was one of the better games from a play calling perspective for Hackett. Irrespective of playcalling, still have to hit throws when chances are there. Overall, The offensive is bad from both design and execution perspectives. It's acutely bad in the RZ.
pimp on da' net Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 https://vimeo.com/111813326 Dion Sanders "Unless this offense connects on the explosiveness of Sammy Watkins then . . . you can . . . you can just forget about it . . . because this offense is just so predictable." And that about sums it up.BTW Hacket sucks Thank you!!! Just think Orton showed promise the first 3 wks all of a sudden he has regressed over the last 3...the coaching philosophy is NOT NFL ready!!! Go back to the Pinstripe Bowl Mutt & Jeff...they will be better coaching on their next stint in college, err high school!!! Turrible (Charles Barkley voice)!!!
MarkAF43 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 You've got 10 days until you play again. Please for the love of god, fire Hackett and get someone else in here with some skill as an OC. I know you can't revamp the entire O in 10 days, but give us a playcaller with some creativity and willingness to adjust and try and win. I know people will say the O needs to perform better and that's true, but 7 quarters without a TD, the OC is the boss of the offense, well it's time the boss is held responsible.
1B4IDie Posted November 14, 2014 Author Posted November 14, 2014 You've got 10 days until you play again. Please for the love of god, fire Hackett and get someone else in here with some skill as an OC. I know you can't revamp the entire O in 10 days, but give us a playcaller with some creativity and willingness to adjust and try and win. I know people will say the O needs to perform better and that's true, but 7 quarters without a TD, the OC is the boss of the offense, well it's time the boss is held responsible. We've got about 200 days until there is a meaningful game.
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Very depressed today....I really don't want to go to work...Wait this isn't Monday?! Bills ruin a perfectly good Friday....? Now I'm pissed!
mead107 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 O has gone from bad to very bad. Fire someone
finfanfromrochester Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Besides the lack of red zone efficiency, I was somewhat impressed by the Bills O in the first half. The offensive line was near perfect for a little over 2 quarters, then after halftime it all fell apart. We definitely picked up the blitzing in the second half, and after Orton got rattled a couple times, he just wasn't the same guy. He was pretty efficient in the first half. It was killing me seeing him have all that time to throw.
Best Player Available Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 we need to know this year what we have w/ EJ so we will know what to do in the offseason. It's irresponsible not to have a clear handle on EJ by the end of this season So does anyone really believe EJ Learned how to throw a football after sitting ona Bills bench for a few weeks? really?Count me in as a doubter at best. But I like the idea. putting him in assures the putrid staff right up to Whaley is gone after this season.
boyst Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 HoF DB calls it how he (& anyone that watches football for more than 5 seasons) sees it. Just disgraceful offensive play calling. Yes, he's in the HOF, so he deserves having his name spelled correctly.dEion.
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