26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 JW: All-22 Review - Bills/Chiefs The Bills loss to the Chiefs will likely be remembered for fumbles and fourth downs. This week's All-22 review from Jeremy White will showcase the Bills success in the run game, why the Bills should #PayJerryHughesMoney, and the misfires from Kyle Orton that played into the heartbreak.
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Pretty solid analysis this week. Cant disagree w any of it. A lot of positives to take from that loss. Learn, improve, and move on and beat the living $h*t out of the fins.
CardinalScotts Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Jeremy talks to much on the radio, ya i know it's a TALK show doesn't mean everything that pops in your head should come out your mouth. But these are terrific every damn one of them has been outstanding
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Also, the fact that it took Marrone so long to plug in Urbik is criminal. This entire board was calling for it for weeks. Marrone is one stubborn SOB. At least he finally made the move but man o man
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2014 Author Posted November 12, 2014 Also, the fact that it took Marrone so long to plug in Urbik is criminal. This entire board was calling for it for weeks. Marrone is one stubborn SOB. At least he finally made the move but man o man Now if he'll just keep Mike Williams active to help the worst redzone offense in the NFL.
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Now if he'll just keep Mike Williams active to help the worst redzone offense in the NFL. Haha. Seriously. Considering Marrone's history w Mike and how stubborn Marrone has been in his first 1.5yrs in the league, im not going to hold my breath.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Now if he'll just keep Mike Williams active to help the worst redzone offense in the NFL. Agree. The fans are more knowledgable than the coaches, it would seem. A lot of people also called for running more pulls, movement run plays too for a long time.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 How hard is it for fans to imagine that Marrone is stubborn and holding grudges with Mike Williams after the way he has handled Urbik?
The Big Cat Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 How hard is it for fans to imagine that Marrone is stubborn and holding grudges with Mike Williams after the way he has handled Urbik? Oh geeze. How one uninformed assumption breeds another.
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Agree. The fans are more knowledgable than the coaches, it would seem. A lot of people also called for running more pulls, movement run plays too for a long time. Agreed w respect to the run plays Edited November 12, 2014 by bobobonators
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Oh geeze. How one uninformed assumption breeds another. It's a message board. 99% of all posts are conjecture and opinion. Our guard play has been terrible. Marrone insisted on moving a OT to OG who had never played before and has been terrible for eight weeks. Played a rookie 5th rounder who inarguably was not ready. Played another rookie OT who has been godawful since he started at OG at practice with the ones. Then plays Urbik who has been serviceable and voila he's serviceable if not decent. That could be construed as being stubborn. There is no known reason to not play Mike Williams. Whaley insisted MW has never been a problem and avoided the question when I asked him why he wasn't playing. We are lacking the one thing MW clearly does well and has proven too. Marrone even said I believe that he had a good week of practice. There is reason to wonder if these two scenarios may reflect one another.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Agreed w respect to the run plays By the way, you notice the screen that went over 10 yds to Bryce brown? Been waiting all season for that.
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 By the way, you notice the screen that went over 10 yds to Bryce brown? Been waiting all season for that. Seriously man. Look at any of the fire hackett threads and youll see countless posts from people here calling for exactly what we saw this past sunday. Brown can be a major threat in pass game.
FireChan Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Seriously man. Look at any of the fire hackett threads and youll see countless posts from people here calling for exactly what we saw this past sunday. Brown can be a major threat in pass game. We've ran that screen at least a dozen times this year.
Dorkington Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 A moving line was a big part of the running game during Chan's seasons, glad to see us bring some of it back.
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 We've ran that screen at least a dozen times this year. It wasnt just the screen. And a dozen times in 9 games isnt all that much when we'e run the same HB dive a dozen times in a single game in the past.
26TrapDraw Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Dammit this loss Sunday is stuck in my craw! The Bills should be 6-3 and the chiefs know they got a gift. That loss is why we know we are not yet a playoff team because our offense is just inept. I found myself questioning the logic of play selections ( even though I must admit Hackett called a better game) the worst red zone offense in the league in the red zone stayed true to form. It was a shame because one Lawson screw up aside when he gave up the edge to Charles the D played lights out. Sigh I guess if we see the offense turn around by years end next year will be better? Friggin depressing. Edited November 12, 2014 by BeefCurtns
Fixxxer Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) It's a message board. 99% of all posts are conjecture and opinion. Our guard play has been terrible. Marrone insisted on moving a OT to OG who had never played before and has been terrible for eight weeks. Played a rookie 5th rounder who inarguably was not ready. Played another rookie OT who has been godawful since he started at OG at practice with the ones. Then plays Urbik who has been serviceable and voila he's serviceable if not decent. That could be construed as being stubborn. There is no known reason to not play Mike Williams. Whaley insisted MW has never been a problem and avoided the question when I asked him why he wasn't playing. We are lacking the one thing MW clearly does well and has proven too. Marrone even said I believe that he had a good week of practice. There is reason to wonder if these two scenarios may reflect one another. That could be a reason and I'm not saying it's not the case, it's the repetition that is tiresome, like every 2 post in a same thread speaks of Marrone's stubbornness. Let's explore another possible scenario with Urbik (totally applicable to Mike Williams case): Lets go back to training camp, where all jobs are up for grabs, Urbik is not the greatest guy on practice, he is probably better than Pears and Richardson, but he doesn't have the fire or shows the fire to earn the spot on the starting team. Meanwhile the coach moves some of the parts and gives the job to those that earn it on the practice field. Marrone sets Urbik asides and tells him that he's the better player but that before he gives the job to him he needs to see better effort, otherwise the guys busting their balls for it would not care if the guy horsing around or not caring gets the job, why have practice in the first place? Urbik sees his teammates failing and tells to himself that he has been selfish and realizes that he has to go back and his attitude towards his role on the team changes. Marrone wants his players to earn playing time. I will copy and paste this one, every time people calls Marrone stubborn about not playing Urbik. Edited November 12, 2014 by Fixxxer
PaattMaann Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 That could be a reason and I'm not saying it's not the case, it's the repetition that is tiresome, like every 2 post in a same thread speaks of Marrone's stubbornness. Let's explore another possible scenario with Urbik (totally applicable to Mike Williams case): Lets go back to training camp, where all jobs are up for grabs, Urbik is not the greatest guy on practice, he is probably better than Pears and Richardson, but he doesn't have the fire or shows the fire to earn the spot on the starting team. Meanwhile the coach moves some of the parts and gives the job to those that earn it on the practice field. Marrone sets Urbik asides and tells him that he's the better player but that before he gives the job to him he needs to see better effort, otherwise the guys busting their balls for it would not care if the guy horsing around or not caring gets the job, why have practice in the first place? Urbik sees his teammates failing and tells to himself that he has been selfish and realizes that he has to go back and his attitude towards his role on the team changes. Marrone wants his players to earn playing time. I will copy and paste this one, every time people calls Marrone stubborn about not playing Urbik. Quit making sense!!!! Haters of marrone just wanna hate hate hate
finn Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 It's a message board. 99% of all posts are conjecture and opinion. Our guard play has been terrible. Marrone insisted on moving a OT to OG who had never played before and has been terrible for eight weeks. Played a rookie 5th rounder who inarguably was not ready. Played another rookie OT who has been godawful since he started at OG at practice with the ones. Then plays Urbik who has been serviceable and voila he's serviceable if not decent. That could be construed as being stubborn. There is no known reason to not play Mike Williams. Whaley insisted MW has never been a problem and avoided the question when I asked him why he wasn't playing. We are lacking the one thing MW clearly does well and has proven too. Marrone even said I believe that he had a good week of practice. There is reason to wonder if these two scenarios may reflect one another. Why "stubborn"? Why not "inept" or "incompetent"? Between last year's left-guard debacle and this year's idiocy, I don't understand why Marrone gets any support at all. What's to like? Really, I ask in earnest. What has he done that any NFL position coach, chosen at random, could not do? At best, he's like Orton: he won't lose you games. But can't we do better than that? Imagine a coach that actually helped WIN games. Am I missing something? Quit making sense!!!! Haters of marrone just wanna hate hate hate That could be a reason and I'm not saying it's not the case, it's the repetition that is tiresome, like every 2 post in a same thread speaks of Marrone's stubbornness. Let's explore another possible scenario with Urbik (totally applicable to Mike Williams case): Lets go back to training camp, where all jobs are up for grabs, Urbik is not the greatest guy on practice, he is probably better than Pears and Richardson, but he doesn't have the fire or shows the fire to earn the spot on the starting team. Meanwhile the coach moves some of the parts and gives the job to those that earn it on the practice field. Marrone sets Urbik asides and tells him that he's the better player but that before he gives the job to him he needs to see better effort, otherwise the guys busting their balls for it would not care if the guy horsing around or not caring gets the job, why have practice in the first place? Urbik sees his teammates failing and tells to himself that he has been selfish and realizes that he has to go back and his attitude towards his role on the team changes. Marrone wants his players to earn playing time. I will copy and paste this one, every time people calls Marrone stubborn about not playing Urbik. Do you really think scenario, even if true, absolves Marrone? Do you mean to say that it's worth playing a rookie not close to ready--and suffer badly for it--just to make a point about effort in training camp? Maybe you bench the better player for a game to make your point, but not half the season. A competent coach doesn't need to hurt the team badly to motivate players.
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