filthymcnasty08 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 No, he wants the stats that show the red zone issue was because of EJ and not Orton (and/or the rest of the offense). and the thread devolves…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) No, he wants the stats that show the red zone issue was because of EJ and not Orton (and/or the rest of the offense). ? That's not the implication of this post... "One of the failed trips in the Minny game was a fumble. A stupid, nothing to do with strategy fumble. Outside of that, outside of yesterday, they've been pretty sharp under the almighty Orton." They have sucked in the RZ with both QB's, and have had the benefit of great field position. Edited November 10, 2014 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 we are still 32nd in redzone TD percentage. itll be incredibly tough to be a contender until that changes. 41% overall 38% the last 3 games and a shockingly low 33% at home See below. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct See below. http://www.teamranki...one-scoring-pct If this ISN'T indicative of a BAD offense, I don't know what is. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/first-downs-per-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 One of the failed trips in the Minny game was a fumble. A stupid, nothing to do with strategy fumble. Outside of that, outside of yesterday, they've been pretty sharp under the almighty Orton. The stats are what they are. Every team can say "well that one was a fumble". They all count. With Orton at QB, the Bills have improved slightly in Redzone efficiency but are still near the bottom of the league. It is a problem that is not sole a QB issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Bills are dead last in red zone scoring TDs at 41%. The stats at home are glaring. Only 33% scoring TDs at home but 50% on the road. That is unacceptable. It is the accumulation of poor play calls, bad passing, ineffective runs and penalties. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct Edited November 10, 2014 by Nitro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 ? That's not the implication of this post... "One of the failed trips in the Minny game was a fumble. A stupid, nothing to do with strategy fumble. Outside of that, outside of yesterday, they've been pretty sharp under the almighty Orton." They have sucked in the RZ with both QB's, and have had the benefit of great field position. Some people see what they want. Does 32nd in NFL redzone mean they suck, or are awful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The stats are what they are. Every team can say "well that one was a fumble". They all count. With Orton at QB, the Bills have improved slightly in Redzone efficiency but are still near the bottom of the league. It is a problem that is not sole a QB issue. for the 1 fumble, you have the gifted drive starting at the 1 -- things happen, but we are over half the season in and its been pretty consistently underwhelming for 8 of the 9 games. and the 9th we lost. no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Some people see what they want. Does 32nd in NFL redzone mean they suck, or are awful? Ha. And it's not just that they suck in the Red Zone that bothers me, it's that they are blowing great drive start field position at the same time! It's happening over and over... Edited November 10, 2014 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ha. And it's not just that they suck in the Red Zone that bothers me, it's that they are blowing great drive start field position at the same time! It's happening over and over... yea, i havent looked at this weeks update yet but being 1st in drive start and bottom 5 (including several dead last) in so many per drive production stats is frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ha. And it's not just that they suck in the Red Zone that bothers me, it's that they are blowing great drive start field position at the same time! It's happening over and over... Its not just that... You have to think this team sucked in the red zone with EJ, Tuel, Lewis, and now Orton. It is the QB's or the scheme, playcalling? The Bills are 27th in three downs and out this season, and that's worse then 2013 when they ended at 25th. Why have Orton throw 48 times against the leagues #1 pass defense. Yet the Bills were averaging 5.0 yards per carry running the ball. Gotta score more then 13 points against good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 There was zero excuse to throw the ball to the endzone 4 times in a row against the #1 pass D when you're getting 5 ypc and there's a first down available at the 5 yard line. Unless your QB is Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Why have Orton throw 48 times against the leagues #1 pass defense. Yet the Bills were averaging 5.0 yards per carry running the ball. Gotta score more then 13 points against good teams. and then we go run, run, against the jets defense. leave red zone threats on the bench for kick coverage guys when we carry a kicker to put it out of the endzone. its like we out think ourselves a lot and ESPECIALLY in the redzone you dont have much margin for error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It is not all bad. The Bills are 7th for Red Zone attempts per game. They are getting there,they just need to complete the drive. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) They can't run or pass consistently. Every once in a while they'll hit a big play for a score but they rarely sustain long drives. I hate seeing them waste this years defense and special teams. You name it, they do it. Bad play calling (pass, pass, pass like yesterday when they weren't having much success with the pass game; or run, run, pass like vs jets when their running game was non existent), inaccurate QBing, no run game etc. Ugh. It is so damn frustrating. They have a defense good enough to contend but an offense mired in mediocrity. Edited November 10, 2014 by norton20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It is not all bad. The Bills are 7th for Red Zone attempts per game. They are getting there,they just need to complete the drive. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game but i think that goes hand in hand with being 1st in the league for average starting position. as we are at the bottom of yards and plays per drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 and then we go run, run, against the jets defense. leave red zone threats on the bench for kick coverage guys when we carry a kicker to put it out of the endzone. its like we out think ourselves a lot and ESPECIALLY in the redzone you dont have much margin for error. Well said. Thats the main problem imo. Its almost like we want to prove that we can impose our will on an opponent (forcing the run va an elite run d or forcing the pass vs an elite pass team) but of course we cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The Bills red zone woes are a combination of factors. The lack of an elite QB that can fire lasers into tight spots consistently is one. They don't have a lot of huge matchup problems is the redone . Watkins is quickly developing into one, Chandler is big but slow. Mike Williams is an effective red zone guy, but the Bills HC is more concerned with making some kind of point than winning games. ( did you notice we actually ran Hogan on a fade yesterday? What a joke!) They are not an effective run blocking team due to weak guard play. And lastly their offensive coordinator seems to have little feel for the game and doesn't ha e great play design in the RZ, he seems to just hope guys win one on ones rather than scheming somebody open. It's not just one thing. A better QB that makes great throws would probably improve this area the most, but is also the most rare of commodities. Their efforts are probably best focused on getting better OL play and a better OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 What's terribly frustrating is that both of Brown's runs coulda/shoulda been TDs. Orton also badly misfired on some open receivers, so I'm not ready to crucify the playcalling down there; it was a matter of execution. I get sick to my stomach thinking about that second Brown run-- shoe string tackle to stop the TD. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 When the field shrinks, like in the RZ, is where you find out how good your skill players and play callers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Marrone: changes possible for red zone thank you for highlighting this, 26. i find the idea that marrone places a greater importance on his special team's depth than his red zone personnel both astonishing and disturbing. He simply makes no sense with this line of thinking from my perspective. A second of devils advocate, then to my actual opinion. Special teams is an important part of the game, and should not be over looked. That said, what I extrapolate from Marrone's comments are, my buddy Danny Crossman was on the chopping block last year. I am going to give him the tools necessary to succeed. Marrone may actually weigh those equally with the team and come away with this decision. I don't. Field position doesn't matter if you aren't scoring points and sustaining drives. If we get the ball at the 40 or the 50 doesn't matter if the offense only goes 25 yards regardless. There is one spot in particular that is irking me in all of this, kick off specialist. I believe I read somewhere we are the only team in the league with one this year. There is MW's roster spot. It is doubly frustrating because the defense is lights out generally. Same concept as the offense. Starting position is irrelevant if your defense can consistently hold up. I realize special teams are a very important part of the game and shouldn't be over looked. Christ that was the only way we seemed to score points or win games when Bobby April was here. I just think our Defense can make up for any loss in field position lost(gained?)on the kickoff, and 7 points instead of 3 is always better. We have the only special teamer worth having anyways. Garrison Sanborn can do it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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