birdog1960 Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Why are people blind to the real Orton. He's not that good. You bash the coach, but if Orton doesn't repeatedly throw crappy passes in the redzone, we win. Orton had atleast 4 chances at open receivers and missed them all badly. Orton is the reason we did not win yesterday. He had the game in his hands. With everything else that happened, it still came down to missed chances by the great Orton. He blew it. he is a product of our coach and gm. by the time they realized their mistake on manuel it was too late to find anyone else. so, yes, it's on the coach and gm. orton is being orton.
starrymessenger Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Actually I expect the Bills to have a good game vs the fish. Two main reasons: First, tho they may be accident prone I don't think this is a team of quitters, and they will be eager for redemption. Second, they are basically a better more talented team than Miami. I see no compelling reason to expect a loss.
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Why are people blind to the real Orton. He's not that good. You bash the coach, but if Orton doesn't repeatedly throw crappy passes in the redzone, we win. Orton had atleast 4 chances at open receivers and missed them all badly. Orton is the reason we did not win yesterday. He had the game in his hands. With everything else that happened, it still came down to missed chances by the great Orton. He blew it. You are correct, he is not an "elite" franchise type QB or the Bills couldn't have landed him so easily. Â The coaching calling 48 passes against the leagues #1 pass defense is disturbing to me. Considering the Bills run game was tearing them a new one with 22 rushes for 111 at a 5.0 YPC average, and against an 18th ranked Chiefs run defense. Â Sorry, it just makes no sense to try and go full bore against another teams strengths, and work away from their weaknesses. This team is beating itself in many games.
1B4IDie Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Actually I expect the Bills to have a good game vs the fish. Two main reasons: First, tho they may be accident prone I don't think this is a team of quitters, and they will be eager for redemption. Second, they are basically a better more talented team than Miami. I see no compelling reason to expect a loss. Except this team quit last year. So many of them have a documented history of quitting on Doug Morrone.
starrymessenger Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Â Except this team quit last year. So many of them have a documented history of quitting on Doug Morrone. Â One positive from Sundays debacle was that after the momentum sucking Brown fumble they came right back with a strong drive. If Brown doesn't stumble they come away with seven instead of three and we are back in the drivers seat. I expected that turnover to negatively affect their play and it didn't. I think it would have in the past. I guess we will see soon enuf. If after KC they fold like a cheap tent then I would consider that to be a very bad sign for Marrone.
1B4IDie Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) While the D played well they are also responsible for the loss. The Bills had a 10 point lead going into the 4th and the D allowed two TDs. Sure you can try and blame it on a fumble but the bottom line is they let them get into the endzone. Did KC's D let the Bills get into the endzone when they started a drive at the 25 late in the game? Top flight units come up big in big moments. The Bills D, no matter the talent level or sacks, seem to come up small all too often. This same stuff happened last year. If you're expectation is that a defense shut out an offense on every game, You have unrealistic expectations. When Jarius Wynn went out of the game the Chiefs exploited Manny Lawson's inability to set the edge, then one of the best RB in the NFL went pinball game all over the Bills once he broke contain. Â The Bills defense still forced a 4th and 1 and Andy Reid actually had the sack to snap the ball and win the game. The Defense played more than well enough to win the game, only allowing 17 points and one TD off of a Turnover on a shortened field. Â The Bills offense was in the redzone 4 Times and scored 6 points. Â You can place the tiniest microgranular of blame on the Defense if it makes you feel better but the Offense did everything they could to lose the game. The Chiefs defense made ZERO big plays to shutdown the Bills Offense. The Bills Offense just threw 4 Stupid passes into the endzone or stands. So don't pretend that the Chiefs defense stood stout. They could have just laid down and watch the offense throw stupid pass after stupid pass and have the same net effect. Edited November 11, 2014 by Why So Serious?
dayman Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 If we lose this Thursday the season is over and it is (sadly) time to throw EJ in there for every game left so he can properly bust out of the league.
Maddog69 Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 You are correct, he is not an "elite" franchise type QB or the Bills couldn't have landed him so easily. Â The coaching calling 48 passes against the leagues #1 pass defense is disturbing to me. Considering the Bills run game was tearing them a new one with 22 rushes for 111 at a 5.0 YPC average, and against an 18th ranked Chiefs run defense. Â Sorry, it just makes no sense to try and go full bore against another teams strengths, and work away from their weaknesses. This team is beating itself in many games. You're missing the point. Even with the play calling as it was, if Orton makes a simple pass completion, we win the game. The coaches didn't tell Brown and McKelvin to fumble and they didn't tell Orton to miss wide open receivers for TD's. I've been a frequent complainer about playcalling, but in this case, it's not valid. The game was there to be won with one decent pass from a competent QB.
finfanfromrochester Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 It sounds like fans of both teams are equally nervous/skeptical about winning this week. It makes sense, we've had pretty similarly tumultuous up and down seasons, each coming off a difficult loss last week. Â I think both teams have clear distinct advantages. Â Where does Buffalo need to capitalize? Against our shaky O line. With Albert gone, I'm seriously concerned about how our front 5 will hold up. We couldn't hold up with Albert last time, so we better be much more prepared to counter the Bills effective pass rush...and Dallas Thomas, presuming he plays RT, is going to have to have himself a game.....which is unlikely. I think James will hold up fine transitioning to LT, but RT is going to be a huge question mark. Â Hopefully Pouncey will make a difference against you guys this time, but even he hasn't been playing well at guard. Â Where do the Dolphins have the advantage? Well...defensively as well. I was surprised at how well you guys held off our pass rush last time, but assuming they are a little more effective getting to Orton this week, our DBs have got to capitalize on any and all mistakes. Â I can't imagine this to be a high scoring game. It seems pretty evenly matched unless you look at how the Bills have historically whooped us the past few games. Tannehill is sure to play better at home as he usually does, but in my opinion this game could go either way. Â Both teams are clearly motivated, it's going to be a battle, but the difference in this game is Ryan Tannehill. If he has some time to implement Lazor's offensive scheme, the Fins have a shot. If not, then 5-5 here we come.
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 You're missing the point. Even with the play calling as it was, if Orton makes a simple pass completion, we win the game. The coaches didn't tell Brown and McKelvin to fumble and they didn't tell Orton to miss wide open receivers for TD's. I've been a frequent complainer about playcalling, but in this case, it's not valid. The game was there to be won with one decent pass from a competent QB. It is valid, it is very valid! This game was so Deja Vu of last seasons loss its crazy. The Bills were going up against the #1 pass defense in the league, and chose to throw 48 times at it. The coaches should have noticed that Orton wasn't on his game, and yet went pass happy in the fourth quarter with 15 passes to two runs.  Its not like Orton turned the ball over or had a horrific day like EJ had in houston. He just never got into a decent Rhythm so why not run more? Then at the end of the game when you are seeing Orton miss open receivers... kick the freaking FG and be down by one point, and then let the defense, and kicking game win it, or go for an onside kick.  Listen to the CBS sports Recap, as also they say it was bad coaching. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/recap/NFL_20141109_KC@BUF
MDH Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) If you're expectation is that a defense shut out an offense on every game, You have unrealistic expectations. When Jarius Wynn went out of the game the Chiefs exploited Manny Lawson's inability to set the edge, then one of the best RB in the NFL went pinball game all over the Bills once he broke contain. Â The Bills defense still forced a 4th and 1 and Andy Reid actually had the sack to snap the ball and win the game. The Defense played more than well enough to win the game, only allowing 17 points and one TD off of a Turnover on a shortened field. Â The Bills offense was in the redzone 4 Times and scored 6 points. Â You can place the tiniest microgranular of blame on the Defense if it makes you feel better but the Offense did everything they could to lose the game. The Chiefs defense made ZERO big plays to shutdown the Bills Offense. The Bills Offense just threw 4 Stupid passes into the endzone or stands. So don't pretend that the Chiefs defense stood stout. They could have just laid down and watch the offense throw stupid pass after stupid pass and have the same net effect. Â Bottom line is the D allowed 2 TDs in the 4th quarter when the team had a 10 point lead. Forcing a FG in either of those situations would have been huge. It didn't happen. Even if fans want to make excuses I guarantee you the players on the D aren't happy with their performance. Â The way I look at it is this, sure the D outperformed the O all game long. No argument here. They looked dominant. But at the end of the game two things would have won it for this Bills. 1) The offense putting it in the endzone or 2) the D stopping KC from getting into the endzone. Neither unit did what was needed to get the job done. Both of KC's units did exactly that for their team though - it's why they won the game. Edited November 11, 2014 by MDH
RealityCheck Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 The Bills are a gathering storm. Brace your selves!
1B4IDie Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 The Bills are a gathering storm. Brace your selves! Yeah a shitstorm
RealityCheck Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Yeah a shitstorm Perhaps a shitmissile?
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