starrymessenger Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Agree, but it was more than a bad break. Parker is a very good playmaker. His doing that is unfortunate for us but not just luck on his part. He's good and that's what he does. I too was impressed with Brown and also with the O-line. The drive that ended with Browns fumble is worth mentioning not just for the turnover but also because our guys were blowing them off the ball and running it down their throats. That doesn't happen much to that KC D. Pass pro was pretty decent too. Silver lining and a glimpse of good things to come?
nucci Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 It was a great play by the defender and if the end zone is a foot deeper Chandler hauls it in for a TD. Unlucky play for us and one that really could have gone either way pretty easily. Chandler didn't need the endzone a foot deeper. The ball hit him right in the hands and he dropped it.
RyanC883 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 It was a great play by the defender and if the end zone is a foot deeper Chandler hauls it in for a TD. Unlucky play for us and one that really could have gone either way pretty easily. I agree with this. As much as Bryce had issues in Philly, that was a good defensive play. Chandler needs to make a play on that ball. No excuses for not scoping it up when it was RIGHT IN HIS HANDS. Perhaps he thought it was a pass and dropped it
NoSaint Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Well, we can disagree, I guess. We beat the Lions; but I think the Lions are better than us. And yesterday, I saw our offense move the ball easily up and down the field, and our defense absolutely destroy the Chiefs. We lost because of our own unforced errors (two missed TD throws by Orton, fumble at the goal line by Brown, and fumble by McKelvin). The Chiefs did nothing. agreed. I agree with this. As much as Bryce had issues in Philly, that was a good defensive play. Chandler needs to make a play on that ball. No excuses for not scoping it up when it was RIGHT IN HIS HANDS. Perhaps he thought it was a pass and dropped it anything but knock it out of bounds. literally, anything.
Storm Front Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 The dude is way too reckless with the ball. Vince Lombardi once made the fumble prone Larry Brown carry a football around all day, even when he went to the grocery store. This fixed his fumbleitis. Marrone ought to do the same with his Brown.
peterpan Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Bryce needs to run like tiki barber did when he overcame his fumbleitis. Anything less and it will continue
zow2 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Well, we can disagree, I guess. We beat the Lions; but I think the Lions are better than us. And yesterday, I saw our offense move the ball easily up and down the field, and our defense absolutely destroy the Chiefs. We lost because of our own unforced errors (two missed TD throws by Orton, fumble at the goal line by Brown, and fumble by McKelvin). The Chiefs did nothing. Well, technically the Brown and McKelvin fumbles were "forced" errors. I think Chiefs fans would agree. KC's recipe for winning is protecting the ball. In crunch time, when the Bills were ready to take the game, Buffalo flinched and were stripped. KC took advantage and did not flinch. They rarely do and that's why they are 6-3. Protect the damn ball.
xsoldier54 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) how many other starting TE's in the nfl recover that ball? chandler looks like frankenstein at times. he's been marginal since he's been here and he's not gonna get better. good teams have good or very good TE's. This, I still don't understand why this team can't find a decent tight end. Chandler, even when he makes the catch looks like he is running in quicksand and falls down the minute he is touched. There has got to be someone better than him out there. The whiff on the fumble was a tough one because it happened fast, but he definitely had his hands on the ball and dropped it. Edited November 10, 2014 by xsoldier54
Maury Ballstein Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Trade his sorry arse back to philly. Wonder how many times he will put it on the ground vs the fins. Hope Freddy is ready.
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 If Chandler recovered, would it have been spotted at the point of the fumble? I thought you couldn't advance the ball on a fumble. I thought there were more rules around that(i.e. condition that allow it to move forward). But, I could be wrong.
Thunderstealer Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 I can forgive Brown on the fumble touch back--he's still green. But Leodis..!
PortlandiaEast Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Watching Chandler bumble the fumble was almost as cringe worthy as the fumble itself. It almost looked like he was trying to be cute and recover it mid air rather than just diving on it. But to counter my own argument, a bull-dive at that strangely shaped ball might have also resulted in a touchback. I don't remember how much room he had to make a dive type recovery. Edited November 10, 2014 by PortlandiaEast
bobobonators Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Aside from the fumble, positive from this game was Brown's involvement in the passing game.
birdog1960 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Watching Chandler bumble the fumble was almost as cringe worthy as the fumble itself. It almost looked like he was trying to be cute and recover it mid air rather than just diving on it. But to counter my own argument, a bull-dive at that strangely shaped ball might have also resulted in a touchback. I don't remember how much room he had to make a dive type recovery. whatever the result, he's much closer to oaf than elite athlete.
plenzmd1 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 I thought there were more rules around that(i.e. condition that allow it to move forward). But, I could be wrong. 4th down and inside two minutes of each half, in order to be advanced fumbling player must recover. This is the holy roller rule from Dave Casper days. Watching Chandler bumble the fumble was almost as cringe worthy as the fumble itself. It almost looked like he was trying to be cute and recover it mid air rather than just diving on it. But to counter my own argument, a bull-dive at that strangely shaped ball might have also resulted in a touchback. I don't remember how much room he had to make a dive type recovery. Thats just it, he was at the endline. He could not dive on it as he had to keep both feet in bounds and recover in the end zone, just like a catch. He did a great job, just got unlucky he hit his knee while trying to keep both feet in...He should actually be applauded for know the rules and trying the only play possible.
The Big Cat Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Aside from the fumble, positive from this game was Brown's involvement in the passing game. YES X 1000 They ran that swing pass three times for a first down. Each time it was gorgeous. When was the last time we saw that play so flawlessly executed...so consistently?
Dragonborn10 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 I algree an unlucky play. Just frustrating cause once he is moving fast at the 5 yard line and he has to do is hold on to the ball and fall forward and he is in. Also frustrating Chandler bobbles and drops it. I know the ball was bouncing and rotating strangely but I thought he should have it. Chandler was in a tough spot because if he falls on it he probably lands out of the endzone. I hate defending such a mediocre player but not much he could do. Plus the ball would have gone back to the three yard line as I don't think a different player can recover a ball fumbled forward. 4th down and inside two minutes of each half, in order to be advanced fumbling player must recover. This is the holy roller rule from Dave Casper days. Thats just it, he was at the endline. He could not dive on it as he had to keep both feet in bounds and recover in the end zone, just like a catch. He did a great job, just got unlucky he hit his knee while trying to keep both feet in...He should actually be applauded for know the rules and trying the only play possible. Is it really only those situations? i thought it was all the time that a fumble that goes forward must be recovered by the fumbling player or it goes back to the spot of the fumble?
stevewin Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I was sitting right at the goaline where that happened... the ball popped up to Chandler almost perfectly, it seemed like it was in slow motion......aaaaaaaaaaaaand we all know what happened. It was literally OH NO, OH YES, OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO all in one play. I nominate that one play to summarize what its like being a Bills fan for the last 15 years. This is so true - I was screaming NO! NO! NO! YES! NOOO! NOOOO! Incredible that Bills fans now have a whole new play to add to the unbelievable collection of game-turning/losing plays, just when you didn't think there could be a different way to do it. The multi-fail roller coaster on this one play in a matter of seconds makes it so noteworthy though - "He's going in for the potentially game clinching score! Oh no WTF the ball just got tommahawked out by some flying missle! Wait, we're going to recover it for a TD! Oh crap Touchback?!?!!! @#@$$%%@$@$!" BTW, the touchback for a fumble out of the end zone has to be the most unnecessarily harsh rule in the game. Edited November 10, 2014 by stevewin
plenzmd1 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Chandler was in a tough spot because if he falls on it he probably lands out of the endzone. I hate defending such a mediocre player but not much he could do. Plus the ball would have gone back to the three yard line as I don't think a different player can recover a ball fumbled forward. Is it really only those situations? i thought it was all the time that a fumble that goes forward must be recovered by the fumbling player or it goes back to the spot of the fumble? here is the nfl rule page http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/fumble Plus, i just went and rewatched the play..I was wrong, Chandler initially had the ball hit him in the hands about 5 yards deep in the endzone, does not get enough of his hands on the ball, hits his knee, and then he tries to recover while staying in bounds. So, he could have made the play.
Since 1972 Posted November 10, 2014 Posted November 10, 2014 Dumb luck. Chiefs won last year the same way; defender falls down and lucks into Tuel's pick. I can't tell you how much better we are than the chiefs-- which is why this loss hurts so much. If it happens in consecutive years is it really luck?
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