Captain Caveman Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 How can this be proven though without a confession? CBF It won't need to be proven to seriously impact his draft stock. If it looks true, teams will consider it when drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wouldnt shock me. Some people are just natural criminals(see Marshawn Lynch). Winston cant seem to help himself. Someone will take a chance. Hell fail miserably and be out of the league within three years and be in jail on a robbery conviction shortly thereafter. Seriously? ... These kids have no real consequences that makes them believe they can get away with anything. That allows them to push the limits ... that does not meant they are born criminals. Sadly, it is an indictment on how they are taught more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Seriously? ... These kids have no real consequences that makes them believe they can get away with anything. That allows them to push the limits ... that does not meant they are born criminals. Sadly, it is an indictment on how they are taught more than anything else. This is sadly true. And when they play well, they will have people like Jimbo Fisher to defend them. If, however, the player falters, no matter his character, the Jimbo's of the world look for the nearest bus under which to throw said player (see Manuel, E.J.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Ok, long time FSU fan here and watched that whole game last week. JW is far from a stellar student athlete and I am embarrassed by this kids actions as well. But he has started slow in EVERY game this year. FSU hands down is the best school at making 2nd half changes. Say what you want about that kid he is a gamer, period. The two picks he threw weren't blatant in the least. His WR dropped a lot of balls and he was still taking shots in the 1st half, our run game was stifled with Williams in until they threw the freshman in. I dont buy this for a second, but I am biased. Edited November 7, 2014 by BUFFALOTONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I have no interest in drafting this guy - regardless of round. In addition to questions regarding his character, I am not sure he is that great. I know many on this board will disagree, but I would rather continue to develop EJ behind Kyle Orton than draft Jameis. At least with EJ, you have a GREAT kid who is willing to work and has no character issues. He also has a lot of talent - his talent needs to be developed to the NFL level. It may never develop that far, but at least we know that EJ will be a good teammate whether he is a backup or starting QB. Edited November 7, 2014 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Man, is there nothing this guy won't do! He's bad news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Are we to soon discover that Winston is a card-carrying member of NAMBLA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ok, long time FSU fan here and watched that whole game last week. JW is far from a stellar student athlete and I am embarrassed by this kids actions as well. But he has started slow in EVERY game this year. FSU hands down is the best school at making 2nd half changes. Say what you want about that kid he is a gamer, period. The two picks he threw weren't blatant in the least. His WR dropped a lot of balls and he was still taking shots in the 1st half, our run game was stifled with Williams in until they threw the freshman in. I dont buy this for a second, but I am biased. I agree with most of this, but look at the end of the first half, down 21-0 he just marched them right down the field without a problem and put up 7 points against the #1 D in the country. I'm an FSU fan as well, but why the last drive of the half was it so easy and soooo difficult the rest of the 1st half? It does look suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I dunno...i know of no bookie who is going to release betting information...be like a hooker going to a cop to complain her john didn't pay her enough. I aint buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 I agree with most of this, but look at the end of the first half, down 21-0 he just marched them right down the field without a problem and put up 7 points against the #1 D in the country. I'm an FSU fan as well, but why the last drive of the half was it so easy and soooo difficult the rest of the 1st half? It does look suspicious. He did throw a pick to start the 2nd half as well if I recall... but then was that the one where he came back and forced the fumble? Mark Schlabach @Mark_Schlabach 13m13 minutes ago Filed to ESPN: Jameis Winston's attorney has requested a delay from FSU officials for the upcoming student conduct code hearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 He did throw a pick to start the 2nd half as well if I recall... but then was that the one where he came back and forced the fumble? Mark Schlabach @Mark_Schlabach 13m13 minutes ago Filed to ESPN: Jameis Winston's attorney has requested a delay from FSU officials for the upcoming student conduct code hearing Yeah that was the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garranimal Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Turns out it isn't true. Jimbo called Jameis in his office and asked him if he shaved points and he said, no sir! In a press conference later today, Jimbo will explain how the points wanted to be shaved and that they had it coming to them. The FSU alum...eh hem, state's attorney has already closed the case with the assistance of TPD, and everyone in the local Tally media will receive a gift bag of crab legs for attending the press conference and for not asking any questions. <move along, nothing to see here.....again> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Turns out it isn't true. Jimbo called Jameis in his office and asked him if he shaved points and he said, no sir! In a press conference later today, Jimbo will explain how the points wanted to be shaved and that they had it coming to them. The FSU alum...eh hem, state's attorney has already closed the case with the assistance of TPD, and everyone in the local Tally media will receive a gift bag of crab legs for attending the press conference and for not asking any questions. <move along, nothing to see here.....again> whew!! Crisis avoided. Until next week's episode ....du dun dun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Crabs are 'xpensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I dunno...i know of no bookie who is going to release betting information...be like a hooker going to a cop to complain her john didn't pay her enough. I aint buying it. True...but folks with dirty hands like to talk 'after' they get caught. Have to wait and see what the truth/timeline is regarding all phases of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garranimal Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 whew!! Crisis avoided. Until next week's episode ....du dun dun Meanwhile....... http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11833297/ukeme-eligwe-florida-state-seminoles-dismissed-team Good god, this guy must have shot the president!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @TMZ_Sports: Jameis Winston -- Allegations of Point Shaving ... Reportedly Tanked During Louisville Game http://t.co/IFOWnJbcJZ I think we all know this is going to end with Bellichik drafting him in the 4th round. I threw this together quick. Patriots will love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wow, almost 3 pages and no one has blamed such actions on the lack of payments for college football players?? More detail here http://www.foxsports...lle-game-110614 That sounds pretty damning if, IF, there is actual evidence as suggested herein. I can see a small time bookie outing himself instead of paying out $11,500 (no to mention getting out of that business entirely if he's being played like that). He'd get a slap on the wrist at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 But are the feds going to take this serious enough to even look? I know the FBI has a huge vice program that monitors the sports world but the is not an easy can to open. This is potential gold for feds. If TMZ even has a smidgen of evidence they will investigate. Txt messages, phone records, emails, bank accts, social media accts will all be subpoen'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) This is potential gold for feds. If TMZ even has a smidgen of evidence they will investigate. Txt messages, phone records, emails, bank accts, social media accts will all be subpoen'd. 2nd question is borderline political but not to be taken as fuel for politics. Does the DOJ/FBI care enough? I do not know if this is something they will spend much time on, as these types of investigations have not been good to them. From the Lance Armstrong/MLB cases to the IRS. The FBI has come up dry too often recently. Are we to soon discover that Winston is a card-carrying member of NAMBLA? Man, I don't know... NAMBLA would have to really lower their admittance standards. Edited November 7, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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